Comics Up: A Passionate Dive Into Comic Book Culture and Industry Insights
Rob Messick and Marc Leone kick off the Awestruck Comics Podcast with a nearly three-hour, unfiltered conversation that captures everything great (and chaotic) about 90s comics fandom. Episode 1 dives straight into the biggest news of the moment: Rob Liefeld’s Youngblood finally returning in 2025 after seven years of rights limbo involving Scott Rosenberg, Malibu, Awesome, and a handshake deal that went sideways.

The hosts keep the energy positive and personal—rooted in their 30-year friendship and a shared love of Image, Extreme, and the tactile joy of physical comics—while covering a wide range of topics that matter to longtime fans: the Absolute Batman debut and DC’s All In initiative, digital vs. paper collecting, the state of comic journalism, Hellboy adaptations (including The Crooked Man), Penguin, Space Mullet, and the ongoing legacy of creators like Liefeld, Jim Lee, and Mike Mignola.

If you grew up with Youngblood #1, still argue about flip books, and prefer enthusiasm over cynicism, this is the episode (and the transcript) you’ve been waiting for.

This episode of the Comics Up podcast features Rob Messic and Mark Leone engaging in a sprawling, candid conversation about various facets of comic book culture, industry dynamics, creators’ legacies, recent developments, and personal anecdotes. The hosts emphasize their intention to counteract the cynicism prevalent in modern comic fandom with positivity and appreciation for the medium. With deep roots in 1980s and 90s comics, they explore key comic book news such as the revival of Young Blood, delve into legendary creators and their impacts, and reflect on the complexities of comic book continuity and publishing. They also critique the state of comic journalism, promotional tactics, and digital vs. physical comics, ultimately offering an insightful, unfiltered appreciation for comics and their community.

The discussion covers a broad range of topics: rights and release troubles around Young Blood, the creative and production challenges of iconic artists and writers like Rob Liefeld and Jim Lee, the influence of colorists and inkers on comic art, the impact of major comic events and series like Absolute Batman and Walking Dead, as well as media adaptations including recent movies and documentaries. There is a nostalgic thread concerning key comics stores and personal collection methods, indicating how deeply comics are woven into their lives.

Throughout, Rob and Mark blend detailed industry knowledge with personal stories, making for an informative and heartfelt commentary on what comics mean to fans and creators alike today.

Highlights

• 🎉 Young Blood is making a long-anticipated return in 2025 after rights disputes and publication limbo of seven years.
• 🎨 The significance of inkers and colorists—like Tim Townsend and Chris Pello—on the distinctive visual style of comics is explored.
• 📚 A nostalgic recount of comic book collecting and the importance of physical copies versus digital comics in the modern age.
• 📰 Critique of comic journalism’s cynicism and sensationalism, contrasted with the hosts’ commitment to positivity.
• 🎥 Discussion on recent media adaptations, including documentaries about Mike Mignola and Hellboy, and the polarizing Joker sequel.
• 🧑‍🎨 Deep dives into legendary creators’ careers, such as Rob Liefeld’s Image beginnings, Jim Lee’s art evolution, and Roy Thomas’s legacy claims.
• 🎭 Reflections on storytelling, continuity, and the balancing act between maintaining legacy universes and evolving comic book narratives.

Key Insights

• 🕰️ The Revival of Young Blood Highlights the Complex Nature of Comic Rights and Legacy:
  The hosts reveal how publication rights began fractured due to investor disputes, resulting in the Young Blood property being held away from original creators for years. This case illustrates the broader challenges in comic intellectual property management and how legal and business factors deeply affect creative continuity and release timelines. The eventual agreement allowing its return signals hope for other “lost” properties.
• 🎨 Colorists and Ink Artists Play a Vital Role in Comic Book Aesthetic and Reader Experience:
  The conversation underlines how characters and stories are visually defined not just by the penciler but critically by inkers and colorists who bring vibrancy and mood to the pages. They mention specific techniques like using numeric color codes, and how misalignment (e.g., Marvel’s and Neil Adams’ differing color codes) can create unexpected visual effects. This highlights the team nature of comics art and the subtle but significant impact of each contributor.
• 📰 Comic Journalism Is Often Mired in Cynicism, Which Alienates Fans and Creators:
  The podcast critiques sites like Bleeding Cool for prioritizing sensationalism over balanced reporting, leading to widespread negativity in fandom discourse. This environment fosters misunderstanding and diminishes the appreciation of new comics and creators. Rob and Mark emphasize an alternative approach that embraces positivity and genuine enthusiasm, showing that passion can thrive without cynicism.
• 🦸 The Continuity Conundrum in Comics Reflects Broader Narrative and Commercial Pressures:
  Through examples like DC’s All In initiative and the reinterpretation of characters across universes, the podcast explores how reboots, labeling (e.g., “Absolute Universe”), and multi-universe storytelling create confusion but also creative opportunities. The hosts point to the difficulty in maintaining a cohesive, accessible universe that satisfies hardcore fans while inviting new readers, a tension at the heart of comic publishing today.
• 📱 The Physical vs. Digital Comic Debate Reveals Generational and Practical Divides:
  Both hosts admit advantages to digital apps for accessibility but decry the loss of tactile experience, panel visibility, and the “place” that comics hold within collections. Their anecdotes about charging devices or losing access during illnesses underscore how digital comics, while convenient, can’t fully replicate the personal investment and nostalgia traditional comics offer. This tension is central to the medium’s evolution.
• 🎬 Adaptations Are a Double-Edged Sword, with Creative Successes and Failures Shaping Fan Perception:
  They discuss Mignola’s Hellboy journey, appreciating documentaries and recent films while lamenting reboot choices that disregard prior continuity. The Joker sequel’s odd creative choices and marketing failures show the combustible potential of big-budget comic films. These reflections indicate that faithful, thoughtful adaptations can deepen fan engagement, whereas poorly managed projects erode trust.
• 🤝 Collaboration and Creator Dynamics Are Both Complex and Crucial in Comic Production:
  The podcast shares insider stories about artist-writer relationships, including disagreements, unfinished projects, and the intense workload creators endure. This reveals the human element behind iconic stories, reminding listeners that comics are crafted by individuals balancing passion, deadlines, and often difficult business constraints.

Additional Observations

• The podcast’s conversational style allows deep dives into tangential topics, from personal collecting habits to rare comic editions and the sociology of fandom, which enriches the understanding of comics beyond mere plot points.
• Their sharing of early comic store experiences and the emergence of conventions paints a wider picture of how comic culture evolved socially in tandem with the stories themselves.
• By touching on the financial realities of creators, such as low pay versus huge franchise profits, they highlight ongoing industry inequities, inviting listeners to rethink the value chain in comics.

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works okay we are being recorded all right do you do you do the intro I do the intro we’ll go back and forth look hey this is Rob messic and Mark Leone we are trying to podcast this week we’re trying we’re desperately trying so this is the what do you call this is the all struck podcast Comics up Comics up episode one e o s o1 e one theme Comics up we’ve lost everyone probably so the I think so your main philosophy I with the toxic fandom everything we feel that we still love the medium of comic books but a lot

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of the news is just laced with s like cynicism just this this blanket of of rough cynicism be like you believe this we’re still in this is still ha Comics are still happening yeah they’re still happening so it just it’s a very odd thing and we talk about it every week we don’t know why people aren’t happy about it they’re reporting on it they’re making money on it journalism wise but they still slam it it’s very confusing it’s very easy to be cynical we were raised in the 90s which is all about

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sarcasm so we want to approach this in an upbeat way in a fun way I mean we’ll still have sarcasm we can’t stop it it’s in our blood it’s in our young blood or Old Blood now it’s in our Young Blood it’s in our whole blood it is so yeah let’s approach us in a different way and you know we we can show people you can be positive and not make money have to worry about that’s what we’re all about being positive not making money there we go there’s our two philosophies in life

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we’re doing pretty well at it um so we’ve been trying to do this for we tried to clock this before the show pre-show talk and we figured it was at least 10 years and and when was that that was your that was after your first div yeah we don’t we don’t have to we don’t have to count them we’re all right we’re fine it’s a good way to gauge it yeah yeah because where else do you escape to but Krypton Krypton Krypton Krypton uh you know where we just have to escape and that’s the biggest the

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best thing the best thing we we can’t control a lot of stuff but we can control and we can just take a little break and then fly off uh with Buck Rogers who even owns Buck Rogers anymore isn’t that public domain oh might be go buy it yeah we might be able to go buy it might maybe we don’t need to buy it we just wait wait till we’re older yeah I guess everything will eventually be you know that’s really weird I think one of the saddest things you’ve ever said to me in in my life and

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you said it just kind of as a brief thing you probably don’t remember this you said it’s going to be really hard because when we die there’s going to be comic books that are published after us and we’re not going to be able to read those and I was sad for like a week you said that and I was like oh my God so I’m not going to be able to read the ongoing Adventures of X you know what I mean like oh my God some kid will be writing Superman and I’ll be like I can’t read it the yeah that’s no good that’s no

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good so we want to kick off we’re gonna do try to do segments we’re going to try and form this and how we have a almost a almost a daily conversation when you’re at work and I’m in a break or whatever uh so we’re going to this we’re going to talk about the news here’s the news news of the week biggest news of the week is and we just mentioned earlier young blood is back after seven years seven years yeah that’s a big deal like I think Comics has really missed Young

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Blood young blood was something special especially when it was created and published in 1992 so we’re talking about 33 years ago which is crazy because when you and I got into comics in the late 80s Marvel had only been around 25 years right we were like that’s forever ago yeah right yeah Marvel had the border around it with all the characters they were fun they were fun to collect is that the first I is that the first uh like uniform because I know this month the DC all in they’re doing a uniform like

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cover scheme basically I guess that is right that’s probably the most wasn’t even I guess it was because it did have a theme in the middle you like just put a big character’s head in the middle because there’s no team shot just like here there’s a guy that’s it here’s guy girl that’s it that was a smart move because bands were like I want them all and Marvel’s like H yeah yeah who was but then but there was some that who was on the X-Men one that just Wolverine Cyclops that’s right

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no that’s right Cyclops was on xfactor right was Wolverine on X-Men I don’t remember the X one oh boy we we already look like I know start over no good yeah uh and then cloak was just cloak no dagger no dagger on that men no um but I guess I what I guess what I never understood is a couple years ago that that you mentioned that like I was like why isn’t there a young blood think we talked about it and then you said that oh was someone that had the rights here there and it just kind of went away oh boy sorry that’s F it’s

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a welcome distraction yeah I guess if you could talk about that while I try to Cal my dog down yeah well you know when lield and his friends wanted to start image they had went to Scott Rosenberg who was a friend of leld who owned Malibu comics in the 80s publisher of exbon and uh what else did he have dinosaurs for higher so they decided to do image through Scott rosenberg’s Malibu Comics best forward to the late 90s when lifel decides to make awesome Comics he had Scott Rosenberg as one of the investors along

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with another investor named John HUD so when one of the investors pulled out lield split up the properties rather than pay these guys I guess everything back and Scott Rosenberg ended up with young blood and supreme and Newman and a few others F but during that time lield and him had a handshake agreement where lield was the publisher he was the guy for all his extreme characters and I guess it was 2017 Scot Rosenberg formed a company I think called Rip media who then he stole Young Blood to his own

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company and then his company went behind his back and licensed the characters to Andrew rev owner of Kimiko from the another 1980s comic book company and kind of pulled the rug out from under Rob so you know and that guy wanted Rob to participate and Rob’s like I’m not publishing them what am I going to do you know I’m not going to help you make money right and uh so anyway so this guy went on to try to publish the book he hired artists writers they were working on material and none of it happened and none of the

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people got paid and now seven years later my f and Scott I guess worked out a deal and now we’re getting Young Blood back I think it’s going to come out probably in April of 2025 which is the 33rd anniversary of Young Blood right right well I know he’s basically life finishing all his commitments and Marvel deciding to that’s it he’s doing one finale of the Deadpool team up which has you know my boy christar in it dragon lord um life draw christar is beautiful yeah he’s got something about

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80s characters because he drew those Thunder comics for those thundercast comics for dynamic for right and those covers look great yeah yeah you know what we need next Sears get I don’t you know i s i I took apart my collection uh earlier in the year and I I sold Sears like one to seven I got like $35 it was so crazy how much money I got for that thing dude5 an issue for Sears you win I I know I didn’t pay more than a do no way and they were beat up they were like it doesn’t matter but it was like a

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complete I think it was Sears but that’s a good little run Steve gerer art like it’s good it’s good little run uh I think texier might did some of the early issues those those those are nuts but but chis is a good around I don’t know if they lost the rights or whatever cuz that was like 11 issues christar was not even 12 they couldn’t even pull off 12 I feel like Marvel created crar and then gotten a deal with Remco to actually make the toys yeah yeah Remco who basically made uh almost like knockoff

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He-Man toys like they look like He-Man toys because that was war it was that warlord yeah yeah yeah you remember getting warlord toys and like oh these things are ripoff He-Man what a ripoff a he-man not knowing that warlord had been around for like 15 years being published by DC yeah yeah yeah they’re hard to get now like they’re not easy I figured they would be kind of a couple years ago I was thinking about just getting a bunch of toys that the hat and I was a kid like you know Warlords and Migos and no

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they’re very it’s not not very very expensive so um but I guess KN expensive yeah so I guess it’ll be coming out so just to go back to Young W so that’s essentially going to go and now but what’s is doing last blood which I guess is still continuity last blood on his on his whatnot right that’s the only way you can get that yeah the only way to get that is uh go to whatnot and sign up and yeah he sold last Blood one I think in January and I got a copy and it was really fun he didn’t have the rights to

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young blood so he created like an echo of them you know so it’s like a set of sha the arrow guy you have bow the arrow guy really good he did a really good job with that comic really entertaining really like it’s really well out you show me some heart from it look look crazy good yeah I love is that the same colorist as as the Deadpool I’d have to check but I feel like it should be is it a I think I don’t know if it’s Juan Rodriguez or not off hand but he he knows how to choose colors like he has a

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real eye always had that yeah yeah Kiko a long time ago and that was a big one that was one he created he knew the right guys to hire to create modern coloring but yeah Kiko uh Chris lner the I guess the arinator of liquid colors yeah you know they were the biggest they were the biggest guys in the 90s yeah well even Brian Murray I guess he started as an artist doing young Allstar for DC with then he did some coloring he colored X Force right and he colored One X Force he did the infamous X force uh

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four right it’s for the the really Oddball colors you know right right I like that you heard that you ever heard that story I don’t know sure he colored under Neil Adams Way of coloring and they had certain numbers for certain colors so when he turned that book into Marvel say here’s the coloring files just go by these numbers well Marvel’s numbers were different than Neil Adams continuity numbers so that’s why the colors look weird that’s why there’s like oranges and purples and greens and

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to us we’re just like this is so deat it’s very you know or art you know well even yeah I mean I have the Marvel age the Marvel age X fors One preview which has uh just temp colors it’s not bradin cat who did the book and I want to say it was even so that’s really fun to look at too look at the differences but yeah he’s always had I mean I thought Bradman C did a couple issues um who was an artist too he was pretty good you know so it was uh there’s always been yeah there’s always been but even McFarland

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colored in I mean that’s that was was fun you know and I think that you know when lifei did a different style for Shadow Hawk zero that was Kiko on that I mean just just playing around with the styles elves was was kind of fun back then Jim Lee doing a his death blow style uh McFarland he like I’m going to letter a book I’m going to color the one book like I mean in the middle of a story he’s like I’m just going to color this it’s like what like that’s just not a thing that is done it’s at all fun to

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do something different when you’re doing the same job every day just pencil pencil pencil well let me try inking now I’m inking let me try can I can I place the word balloons can I try the letter you know coloring yeah and they didn’t have time they had to get it out so you could see the different mistakes you can see like the bubbles were weird it’s like whatever you know I mean just put it out so at one point you remember Eric Larson on davus Dragon tried to do everything himself he was writing it ping it aing

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it lettering coloring his coloring wasn’t bad but his lettering wasn’t wasn’t real good right well he had a lot he had Chris on forever right so you know what he was publisher at that time so he’s publishing Image Comics and trying to do everything for Savage dragon that’s just workload that was not uh I guess he couldn’t do it so luckily he he stopped he stopped lettering and coloring he still messes around with the doubt and that’s you know what do it for fun when you’re

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trying to put out monthly comic that’s a hell of an undertaking yeah I just want to see so what’s the line so the like I guess what was also interesting with the live announcements the pictures I thought were I mean the coloring was great on it like I said I think it’s the same color just doing doing the um the Deadpool team up but yeah there’s something about it like where even the drawing I sent it to you as soon as we got it on that day we were mad because we were tried to record it but I’ve been I was sick and

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and hour and horrible we tried to record two weeks ago we were just mad that day you were like you were so mad and you were like we should be recording today look at this stuff and I’m like ah I so much news was hitting yeah it was like but the the the shaft like he had it it was a different stance I mean it’s it’s it’s I don’t want to say it’s like a stereotypical but like you when you see a Jim if you see a Jim Ley drawing it’s you know exactly what it’s going to be

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and I feel like sometimes when I see a lifel drawing it’s gonna be exactly but for whatever reason the one that hit me was when like shaft was just kind of shaped in a slightly different way I was like I’ve never seen him draw like this there’s a Purely Inspired art here I was like oh my God like I love it and and it anded right it the it’s like here’s one image and it was really good here’s another your standard image right here’s your standard Young Blood you ready here

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it is here’s young Bloods back see thises this make sense and then you know yeah and that other image I was like oh can I have that like you know yeah that looks really good he’s he’s gonna he’s got to bring it to young blood but he’s gota from what I understand he’s going to finish last Blood he’s going to do issue two comes out this week and he says he wants to finish three before Young Blood launches so that’ll be it you know what maybe one story will go into the other now the

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thing about last blood is it’s kind of his Dark Knight return turns for the extreme Universe he’s like if extreme universe is going to end this is kind of how I would do it right and then he’s like and by the way I’m bringing back the rest of the extreme universe so kind of funny like so yeah it’s a fun book and I hope issue two is as good as issue one I see the pages had and had profit and the inking on it really he got an inchor for the profit pages that just very detailed very raw like it’s a

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it’s a really neat look he’s never shot away from different anchors yeah well he normally does his face though right he normally goes back because he lik he loves he’s trusted okay very few people but he’s had chance wolf ining him on that’s fun yeah that’s really fun that is fun who doesn’t love chance wolf he he how many logos right he did logos also for he did the shadow I believe pit on like he created a lot of the early image logos and he was a really good 90s artist de and he’s a really good anchor

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now but like what did he do in between I have no idea I don’t know so I don’t know I don’t know we uh let reach out to him when we’re a little less Amateur hour right right we’ll try um so talking about like cynicism I almost feel that the I don’t know why and I just I just because I’m not we’re not pro bleeding cool we think bleeding cool is a lot of there’s a lot of it’s laced with some some some C you know cynicism that we don’t love but I feel it was very

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strategically placed I think to to take the wind out of DC this week to just announce like the Monday I think it was Monday mon like so Wednesday we would say the biggest biggest book of the Year absolute Batman it’s sold out it’s on third printing now uh seven variant covers foil cover um just a very Stark cover and I showed my daughter yesterday we were in in the hospital I’m like look at this Batman she was sh had her ibat okay um but like the uh but and then because she dated I’m like here you can you have to like

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let me show you things now um but I’m showing her the cover and then I’m showing uh her uh Batman on the motorcycle at the end and B like Batman like taking this thing off his chest it’s like arguably the most important book of the year so uh bleeding cools like Rumor Mill uh Batman next year is Jeff LOE but I don’t even know what they’re referring to so is is chip off and then they’re now just trying to like figure out all right well Chip’s off chip and uh him and is off if

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they’re off we’re going to bring back Jeff L Jeff Lo back in the fold a little bit and then Jim and then Jim Lee do that again and I’m like why are you announcing this right now I just I felt like and then it was just talk about that and I was like what are you doing why are you taking the focus off this big b it didn’t matter because the Batman book just plowed everything fine good because quality is gonna plow and but do you think that was PL like I mean do you think that’s a real

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rumor I think it’s a real rumor I had talked to Jeff l in Baltimore h mark and I went down to Baltimore ComiCon a couple weeks ago and always excited to see Jeff he’s always been a really nice guy so nice yeah and I was complimenting him on the book you know the launch of the bringing back last Halloween and how awesome it is to honor Tim s like that and I so as a comic fan I’m like oh what else you working on and he’s like yeah this is pretty much it and it left me with like a sad feeling like is Jeff L

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done I know he’s looks like he could be in his 70s he’s been doing TV and movies for like 45 years yeah I think he started when he was in for in his 40s I think early 30s yeah he always looked old no offense he just always looked he always looked like this old guy you know what I mean so us old gu talking about that guy looks old and I left the conversation like oh that’s so sad like like at least he’s but he’s bringing the last Halloween back the long Halloween the last hallowe like I’m gonna end my

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comic career on the book I’m most famous for what well and he begun his comic career with Tim s anyway right in in Challengers right Challengers the unknown yeah so and if you’re gonna go out you know and he would be working with Tim s if unfortunately he didn’t pass away you know I mean it would still be a continual this would be a 10 sale book sure you know well the crazy thing is I don’t understand how there’s covers for this but apparently because Tim s’s no longer with us unfortunately but like

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all the covers for the 13 issues or whatever 12 or 13 issues is going to be they’re Tim sale covers and I was trying I read an article about like how is that even the thing how he didn’t know he was gonna do this project you know he did the special last year which they retrofitted to be a zero basically you know there it was not it was just a one shot for an anniversary that’s it but that’s the last work um but apparently they were taken from sketchbooks and people sketches like they’re just taking

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it and they’re just you know Dave Stewart’s doing his thing on them and then there the cover yeah that’s fine I find that interesting I don’t think it’s uh I think it’s good that they do that I know uh Carl Kel He has his book uh impossible Jones in section zero he does them through kickstarters and he had taken with permission from his family a Mike wieringo drawing of crypto it was a commission and he had Reed it to be a character from his book like this doll character from his books and I said you

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know what that’s fine I feel like it’s getting something new the Aspen guy have taken a lot of Michael Turner’s artwork and recolored it recolored it heavily to be new covers whether they’re sketches or an old years ler right right right yeah and I think that’s I think that’s kind of cool it keeps it keeps their memory alive and going back to Tim sale yes give me more Tim sale find a commission finish it up you know find an unused coverer you know artists like Tim sale are so specific about their Pages you

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know they draw full pages and go nope and they Chuck it right you know right LEL was saying one time he’s seen Ian Churchill draw the page for coven which is a super detailed book coming out of awesome coincidentally written by Jeff L and live was like that’s a beautiful page and church was like yeah no yeah I’m like no don’t destroy it but that’s what artists are that’s their life and Tim sail I’m sure has a lot of unused stuff because he was a perfectionist yeah it’s going to be I mean that is a

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pretty fun concepted series and we we didn’t know we knew some of the lineup but I guess we didn’t realize when we both of us spoke to Dave Johnson who did you know covers did Super Patriot a long time ago with was that Tom and Mary beerbom scripting was that a gif and plot I think that was a gif and plot yeah okay and I think gin did more of the second miniseries right right right which was mainly Dave Johnson complete work he doesn’t he hasn’t done a whole lot of complete work he did

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mainly covers after he got some good gigs I’m sure he got paid you know he got because he went from Super Patriot and then he did some wild cats work with on Allen Mo scripts and then at most famous he did the first two issues of Superman red Sun with Mark Miller right and that’s a beautiful book I think that’s one of his only regrets he says that he regrets not finishing that book but as a cover artist yeah I don’t know if you would known I don’t think I don’t think that that I don’t know if

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you know in the mo I think only Kingdom Come and there’s literally a documentary coming out about it knew it was going to be a huge thing as it was happening I don’t think Red Sun was knew it was going to be a huge thing as it was happening was like oh here’s another else World okay you know like that’s it really I don’t I don’t know I mean Gotham by gas light was not a huge thing uh when it happened it just kind of came out and then it became like what’s this and then things just kind of went and

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went and went what the whole we’ll have to do a whole elor’s uh episode you know where we jump in back that’s a whole other that’s they probably didn’t real how big yeah being the Gotham B came out around the time of the first Batman movie when 89 and 90 was just pure Batman everybody was collecting Batman jocks were collecting Batman you know right and that came out and we all bought it because they wouldn’t have given such a big book to people nobody knew nobody knew about Brian Augustin or

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you know Mike Manola or who in it was it P Greg Russell uh or yeah I think so or or yeah I think that’s right or Rick Bryant potentially so and we got that book we loved it nobody knew but getting back to our topic of conversation which we will we will never get back to well actually before I do there’s a quick aside about Gotham my gasl which it has to do with the Roy Thomas thing so Roy Thomas for whatever reason last year just decided he’s a creator of Wolverine right as a contributing

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editor as that happened mark Wade came out and stated that he mentioned Jack the Ripper and Batman in a talk with Brian Augustin and then Brian Augustin just did it because Wade was editing a bunch of stuff I think he was editing Doom Patrol even at the time with for Grant Mars um and he’s like I could probably go back and say I created else worlds but I’m not going to like because it’s just like it’s a conversation I it was just we were brainstorming I’m never going to I mean

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again and this is not this was not in every clickbait article on the planet this wasn’t you know for for anything other than the the the craziness of of of of giving Roy Thomas that you got it you have enough Roy Thomas it’s over okay like just it’s so weird to me and listening to him I think he’s such a nice guy but like now it just makes me I always seem like he’s some seems such like a Meek guy and humble and all that stuff but this is just so weird this is just like this weird thing at the end of

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his life he’s like I’m just going to decide this after well Len we’s gone he can’t refute it let me do that because that’s the other rumor too he’s like no one can refute this only Len we he’s dead so I will say and the other the other guy who’s dead is that the incredible Dave cochrum who actually went to Roy Thomas at one point and said we should have a character named Wolverine so right you know Roy Thomas like oh Dave cochr might have said that like he Tred to tries to backpedal on

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that but there there a growing in fum a two years prior of this this skeleton that was melted off and you could see like a melted like like and then he had he had an exoskeleton his name was Wolverine it was literally on the bottom is that guy going you know I think I think bleeding Cole did like talk to that guy he’s like I don’t know I just threw it you know what I mean like it’s it wasn’t trying to create Wolverine I’m not going to go after it right now so much of comics is

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a conversation um but like if the guys who sit there and do the work the guys sit there put pen to paper pencil to paper like that’s so time consuming trying to I mean kocham arguably is one of the best creators of of character and and and style and form and outfit uh but he was Legion he was Legion that was it he was Legion and um and then he’s like oh they didn’t like some of these Concepts so I’ll just keep them okay well some of those Concepts became was it storm Nightcrawler like they futurians you

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know some of the futurian most of Empire is is his stuff that didn’t go in Legion I feel like the 70s Jack Kirby like Jack Kirby had that career 40s 50s 60s but in the 60s he just blew up and created Marvel and fourth world for DC you and he’s probably the best comic Creator in the world ever but when it comes to 70s like Dave cochr around he’s just the he’s second best of doing costume design you know it’s Jack kiry’s number one and da I think Dave cochr and that’s not

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against anyone else but he created so much right and then what John burn you think John burn after that John bur Perez tyde oh who created more that’s an excellent question even for the 80s I think for the yeah no you’re probably I think that’s right because for the 90s and you know we’re just got to come off like lifel lovers who’s created more characters than life you know recreated costumes and then he would recreate costumes when he didn’t even have to cre costume like here’s

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cable two years later here’s Cable in a new costume cable had seven cost or something I don’t know if that’s right but I feel like that cable had seven costumes but see that’s what made us draw when we were sketching stuff when we were younger like I was like oh let me I it it always gave me license when I would want to draw something I drew an extra I want to say pouch I drew I drew something else or Spider-Man had like an extra like it was it gave us extra to think about you know it gave us

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permission to create our own version of Wolverine here’s Wolverine with you know four claws which it’s hilariously I just got wrong I like oh he four claws right four claws you know a long shot with for with with you know five fingers you know we don’t we don’t really you know we’re just drawing so we’re just drawing and that and that’s what you know leld helped he he really inspired a generation of artists but where did this conversation start oh yeah I went back to it so did

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my theory is that bleeding cool is just trying to take the wind out of DC the beginning of the week just saying like this Batman rumor was is going to gain some traction it did gain some traction but I just was like why are you planning this right now yeah and you know what’s funny is they they do like to take the wind out because while they’re talking about lifel doing a new Young Blood they’re like young blood co-created by Hank Hal Hank canal and Hank Canal did not co-create young blood he scripted

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the first issue right and he was going to script the first issue when life tried to do it for Megaton Comics back in 1987 right so it’s it’s actually better reporting because if you go back to Young Blood one and you read the credits that there’s no there’s no created by it and no no register trademark or nothing it’s it’s bad reporting you’re right bad journalism he’s just trying to get people angry yeah it’s just it’s a it’s a weird sensationalism and and you know

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a lot of times he’s very Pro stuff and a lot of times and I don’t know it’s a lot of it’s weird favoritism he did a a video this week Bret Johnson about like amazing Comics you got like a a grab bag or they mailed him like t-shirts and swag he opened it in unboxing Joe cada’s new comic company yeah yeah yeah amazing comic so and I like the logo I think it looks very pulpy uh the character I can’t really figure out what that book’s going to be but you know I’m fine with

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it I mean again we were we were big event Comics fans we did all the all the I have Ash right there I have it right there I have it right over there in my new yeah marive collection which they were really beautiful Comics he joas was a fun artist to follow his career yeah I guess that production stuff just happened when he was at um Valiant I think cuz he was like kind of putting books together for Valiant when they were like they were like Nintendo Comics right like he was coloring some of them

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too yeah Captain N he color Captain N so I think he’s partially color blind wow he’s partially color blind so like when they did their vagant Vision their their you know when they try to do 3D comics in color he’s like yeah I can’t see the 3D I hope it’s cool people say it’s cool but can’t see it you can use Drew incredible Drew incredible poster remember the poster he drew for vant for vant vision maybe it came with oh I I have Val Vision right over there I should go I should go check it out

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yeah I do have it you got comics Mark are you you I have two copies of it I have two copies of mission one bag one un bag yeah and because I have the glasses and you can look at the glasses and and you get a headache I mean you can look at any comic like it’s not really like it’s just it’s pretty much blues and reds you know like that’s pretty much it yeah it’s like the Reds pop out at you the blues go back and you know that’s the magic yeah yeah that’s it that’s the magic uh so and then I

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guess the third story as much as like we don’t want to say negative I just think that as much okay so so this is kind of a combo news story right so number one Midtown Comics had uh drat and Snider and they say they want to be they have enough material for 30 issues and for people who don’t people don’t understand about comic books for the most part 12 and then there might be two Fain in the 12 like there’s really there’s really no such thing as as like a 30 issue run of anything consistent with

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two with writer artist unless it’s greater unless it’s East of West unless it’s Walking Dead you know and then even then they had artist changes like unless it’s over there at image doing a thing where it’s Creator own you’re not doing a book because the book and as the you know the uh you’re doing book for big big two big two is going to be got to get it out got you know what let’s do it bi-weekly let’s do it every week let’s do it like weekly you know it’s like

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what are you talking about so they’re going to try to push it and have some inventory stories and or just try to like alternate the thing so so with that being said the two most exciting books that I’ve read this year is aliens versus Avengers which I didn’t think I’d like at all I didn’t want it at all but it was Hickman and it’s not ribic and it was again old people it was future Avengers right old Avengers old derse NOP pretty cool um and it’s late two months late and and

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then the other book which I thought there was a lead in time and kulo is not inking it and kabul’s been working on this for a year I don’t know a long time that’s two months late so Wolverine Revenge two months late you know I don’t typically notice when Comics are late anymore unless they’re the comics I absolutely love and those are two books that I really enjoyed I was really looking again like you said I wasn’t looking forward to Avengers aliens I didn’t you know I I’ve enjoyed those

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types of books in the past you waited I told you to read it so would you read that what are you doing and then you didn’t it took weeks to read I realize wrote it I’m like oh well Hickman wrote it okay and ribic Drew it and I read it I’m like oh this is really good great and we have other friends who barely read comics and they’re like did you read this I’m like I did now um and and then you know weing Revenge I read that right away first day and I I didn’t buy the the the the violent version what it

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called the Red version yeah but I looked through it and uh it looked great and uh so reading it I’m like this is really good um little bit of uh super fans that we are I said to you you notice the inking because Tim Town’s an ink R Capo and Tim Townson is an incredible anchor but he’s been inking Chris pello I feel like 10 years like felt like he took a little of that to Great kul’s pencils yeah yeah well I never at least for the first issue yeah Town’s kind of funny because I feel like

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even with Bako I think it’s more of a situation with Chris bako where he he has his own team of people because it’s always like bako inks some of his stuff alv inks some of his stuff like it’s like four or five inkers ink a normal bakalo not a late book a regular B there’s usually three anchor usually it’s usually towns in alve and so like what is that like I’ve never seen that like oh I need alve to the backgrounds I need towns to ink like the I’ll do the faces like we know liel’s not like not

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liel doesn’t list I Inc the faces it’s like chance wolf inks doesn’t say like oh by the way he doesn’t take that right he doesn’t take that credit he’ll talk about it but like unlike Roy Thomas he won’t take credit for you for stuff he doesn’t do but I do think I do think that that I feel like when I’ve seen Capo’s art he needs a strong anchor because I feel like his stuff is just a little looser that’s all it’s more of a he’s come he’s coming from admittedly

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more of a jrjr style number two pencil not like technical pencils it’s just a lot of it’s just like kind of you know gray and I think he needs he needs a tight line he needs on Danny Miki right those it and then guess was who was his first ring Harry cand and I can never say his last name Candy ell whatever that is and quazar and through X he had Pennington too right didn’t he come in for was that for more for X Force uh Pennington maybe I thought Pennington did violator three if I’m right he

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definitely did that because Pennington was B sear zinker for the first two right and uh he remember uh I think it was X Wars 24 was in by Richard Bennett and that was a really super detailed yeah Bennett and uh who was well I always feel like Bennett’s similar to like Aaron weisenfeld they’re always that same type of like was I was sometimes would think they were the same person or not uh yeah it was it was really weird around that time too because you had so many different like distinct inkers like we

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we like we understand we understand Scott Williams but we like art T bear on Jim Lee most of the time um it was it was a different look it was more honest to Jim Lee because when Jim Le would ink himself it had a raw like power to it like it’s a little bit messy yeah I feel like he inks with uh Sharpie I feel like the the the I feel like he inks with different things it’s not normal traditional stuff yeah I love the jimly cards the jimly cards are very fun to different size and he’s inking with

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stuff whatever’s around it seems and that’s fine that’s what we like experimental jimly we don’t like we do uh whatever Jim cover’s doing now he’s so perfect of an anchor you know it it might it it skews towards uh not boredom but maybe it’s just too it’s too conforming it’s too it’s we like things a little messy but but even with that I think what’s kind of nuts about that is that if you think about the Jim Lee who we like I mean Jim Lee was a uh with

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Drew over Carl pots layouts and we liked him inking himself himself on war journals every every figure was a little bit bigger was a little different you know than than uh Jim Lee Alpha flates you know which were it just you know just a more scaled more gym shootery you know zoom out yeah you know we like to zoom in and then when X-Men was kind of the combination of the two um but he also had like Studio partners because was he in the same studio with wills at the time because there’s a couple issues

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where they’re all together right yeah they did they did form that studio pretty quickly him him wills and uh Williams Oh my gosh what a fun time was Sylvester in the room with those guys too at the same time is a tech was think initially yeah but I think at one point he did oh my God what a fun can I bring you guys coffee you know I mean like like could I’ve been can you you guys Pho copies made yeah you need me to spot the blacks is that okay can I just touched you know what I mean like

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you want me to just uh you know do anything like that but no I don’t know so it’s just weird it’s it’s weird that like I feel like and I I do want to say that I feel that the promotional machine of like Scott Snyder was just unreal last month man he was on every podcast he was on every video YouTuber’s Channel he was on like I mean just really out there on Wednesday he was at Midtown I think he’s at I think today or yesterday Saturday believe he’s the third eye in in U Maryland with drti took him down so

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um so they’re around they’re they’re signing stuff and um I don’t know I wonder if Sean yeah I think sh well no I think Sean Gord Murphy Works lives in a different space but I think sha Gord Murphy used to live near third eye in Maryland or Virginia because he did the variant there I think he did their exclusive variant there so but yeah just pretty crazy um that is a promotion that’s what I feel that to me when I see stuff like that I feel like that was when they had tours for signings when

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they had an extreme signings tour they had uh was it fatal Instinct what was the um what was that tour didn’t Killer Instinct right didn’t they do Kill inake Tour yeah the ultimate tour you know yeah they were going you Mark Mark Bagley and and Mark Miller and art tar Brian hitch they all showed up at a store in Philadelphia to do a signing to promote the whole ultimate sign yeah just it’s a smart move and this book this book’s a steamroller and it deserves to be you know it’s

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funny nick drat is a he’s a local guy he’s actually from Southern New Jersey which is where we are um but he’s a talent and and like you said before he had done I don’t know 40 issues of east to west it’s yeah it’s like it’s I think it’s a weird yeah it’s what’s funny about a lot of those uh they don’t end they end when they need to end not like a number which I think is pretty cool it’s a number like like vertigo for 75 50 100 like it was always on that but yeah I feel like East and

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West was like 38 or 41 something like that number end it or Kirkman likes to do is it 46 or something he has a number which makes the uh the omnibuses that they have yeah works but that to me that’s the biggest that that’s the best news breaking thing because again you know when when Rob and I were young in 8 89 and 93 basically there wasn’t I guess I guess preview was right around there but from like8 86 to 91 or so there wasn’t a catalog we didn’t know it was coming out three months from now now we

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know so but you know the best thing is the Kirkman ever did I think as as he overs solicited Walking Deads they didn’t come out right towards the end they didn’t come out he he made big covers you know that was a good surprise you know he likes the surprise that was a smart move like hey surprise here’s last Walking Dead it’s oversized and wraps it all up oh what a good it was it was really good you can’t beat again future issues here’s the end and he did the same with invisible um as

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far as like here’s the future here’s 500 years of invisible stories that you’ll never get and you know what I want those stories give me them give me them Invincible stories back well I wonder if he will because I mean I I know that the The Walking Dead Deluxe I m I mean listen it’s on issue like 93 94 at this point where they went back recolored everything and I think he either has his plot I think there’s two things in Walking Dead Deluxe I’ve only ever looked for him a little bit um I want to

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say that his plot is in there and I want to say he has like an essay about like the production of it no reading it now right that’s he does that that’s cool every issue is colored they take away the uh the gray toning that Cliff Rathburn had done and you’re right he puts this plot in which is basically a a one through 24 pages and it’s real vague Rick talks to you know someone and this guy falls and zombie like it’s real minimal and then he goes through and says yep I didn’t do that I chose to do

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that what I don’t can’t even you can’t even read his handwriting it’s so bad but is Charlie Adler the most successful accidental artist like like he did stuff right he did what was what was the one X-Men Min series he did is it X-Men I’m trying to remember what he did he did I know right code flash which is gorgeous I love that book one of Joe one of Joe Casey’s better books top five Joe Casey for me um but he had just done the establishment with Ian Edington which was a kind of a spin-off of the

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authority um yeah it was Authority the monarchy they had like all these they were trying to do these little it was very British and we don’t know British yeah we tried to we tried and we’re like I don’t know I think it’s too British for me can’t do it you know uh but also really strange yeah he lives I believe in London or leaves lives over in Britain and he just drew [Music] Georgia for like six years I’m going to draw this and you know just coming from a royalty perspective uh great you know

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what I mean great yeah we should do a list of we what who we believe are uh not accidental millionaires but you know the whole thing with comic books com the the the lore is the comics will break your heart right you you you you go see a billion dollar movie and you’re like I think I I created that guy over oh I got 10 grand and a plane ticket uh that’s that’s the Jim Starland thing Jim Starin basically got 10 grand for what how many movies you know basically like the Thanos concept and

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then he goes not he’s not a bitter person but he can’t he could be he’s not but like he he should be I think a little bit um but yeah 10 grand 10 grand check and then you get to come to the premieres okay you know I think even the Deadpool stuff like I know Marvel’s not paying out like I know there was that they had basically the last the Deadpool Wolverine they had a group of all I think it was it was Gail Simone Doug in I think posan might have been there it was like all the stuff that we read

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Because I remember I was calling each other when I think I was I was yelling at you I was like did you read this read Deadpool last week with posan and and I was like what is this like is it I was crying you know like it was just yeah was that we thought it was just going to be so goofy that POS and Jerry Dugan run and then he doesn’t issue like like this is really it’s really hitting you yeah I really I really wish someone would have done a cartoon because I feel like the cartoon would have I guess it well that

00:44:31
was the Donald Glover cartoon Donald Glover and his brother yeah Donald Glover was he he was he wrote it you know that would have been a really good cartoon but if they took all that stuff if they took all that because I don’t think you can do that stuff that some of that high concept stuff I don’t think you could have really done that with the shield agent and you know someone in his head like it was very like it was like Firestorm but like it was just you know I don’t think I think you could have

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done it if unless it was again you know budget wise Ryan rolls isn’t going to make 10 movies that you know what I mean it’s not really but yeah oh boy okay and that’s yeah so that’s that’s the news as much as we didn’t stay on the news Topic at all that’s kind of the it’s more of a spiral we just spiral out of every every Point leads to another point and another memory yeah yeah yeah doesn’t really feel like that okay so now we’ll go to reviews we need to come up with like

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little songs reviews we need to come up with like a name of we use that and then grading scale we didn’t really talk about the name so we were trying up you had Comics up for a long time and then when we were talking about last couple weeks ago all struck is kind of like your adjective that you know is I think the best because I feel like that’s the way that I felt when you know we got Young Blood one oh where did you buy Young Blood one where that’s an important question I bought it at there

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was a store called rainbow comic here in St Jersey and uh you know I’d gone to a store that was closer they didn’t have it they were sold out and I was like no I’ve been waiting for this book for six months at that point you know and we’re like all right let’s go to the next store and we’re lucky here in South Jersey because every other Town had a store right we were very fortunate in the 90s and even to this day we have a lot of stores um so yeah rainbow Comics I went in they had they had like 10 which is

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you know I was I was still ecstatic did you buy two did you buy the I didn’t buy to that day but I I did eventually get another copy um cuz I like to have both of them when I went through my comic box I’m like here’s both covers I love I love good cover art and both covers were really good yeah yeah I think I bought it at um I don’t remember see if you can remember the Story’s name it was on Haden Avenue um in Collingswood I went to an art school that my dad put me and if it was

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mainly just you would graduate so it was literally was pencil colored pencil graduate to INX graduate to water college graduate to O ridle me this yeah that’s right riddle me this yeah I think it was called something before riddle me this but it was riddle me this when I went there and then because another guy bought it and I always feel like there was always a weird thing because same thing happened with it A+ Comics in glass bro where like half that store the guy who was like the assistant manager

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bought the store and then that at store at one time became like half florist his mom R half a florist so the front was like a florist and the back’s a comic book store like it’s you know again when things got tough man there was some there were some strange uh store combos right like there was a store that was literally like almost a room inside of like a strip mall in in Woodbury like Main Street do you remember that it was just like it was like a literally like a like a room you go in and they were open

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for like that’s three months that’s a lot of company started didn’t it Mile High start as like a like a back of a room of like a bookstore or something yeah yeah oh it’s just so it’s so weird but yeah but I remember uh I didn’t know I didn’t know when it was because we didn’t know when it was coming out that was the other thing too is we’d go like oh my God it’s here you know it wasn’t like a thing you know when when we got more catalog the other the other major

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major memory for me was I rode my bike to what was the store in Woodberry next to the Little Caesars that Little Caesar’s still there superhero City superhero City so I rode my bike well not that great of a road right what’s the Deford Avenue like very dangerous road you have everen and difficult right almost died right I’m riding to get my it was it was Return of Superman so it Return of Superman and I went there I bought all the deluxe and I bought all the new stands and then for whatever reason in the good investment

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right by the Deford skating rink I went I was on the lawn right there at never skating Rank and I was looking through and I realized I didn’t buy the steel the issue the Mana steel one because I didn’t have the die cut and I was so nervous and I rode back to the store to get it and I was like and thank God they I was so upset because someone else had it and they put it back and I was like looking at this guy I’m like put it back you’re putting it back and I remember like trying to you know sh I mind trick

00:49:04
I’m like just put that back because I didn’t I don’t have you got arm wrestled him for him be like over the top Mark over the top I would have lost I’m sure um majorly lost yeah those are my two formative yeah you’re like 14 weren’t you yeah you’re you’re you’re younger than me yeah so but that’s but okay so this is actually a really actually an act actual segue we did it so flip book live you know so with with young blood we had a flip book and the first review I want

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to talk about was which we would tried to have our Advent our first episode talking about all the uh the Allin special which I feel is a terrible name for it because it doesn’t that’s just a it’s a it’s the initiative I just think it’s a bad name I don’t know what you could have called it but good initiative name but it’s a bad line name because DC has a history of I want the DC Universe to be cohesive yeah I want a good DC Universe we had a pretty cohesive D universe but we broke

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in the comics in the late 80s so it was already post crisis and we had a good Universe all the way up till 52 and since 52 New 52 it’s been kind of a mess right you know great they’ve had great stuff but you never know does this count do I want to put my heart into it you know um but at least all in and at one point they were like everything counts okay that’s a it’s a cop out but it’s a cop out I kind of want just make me believe that counts and I think that’s what they want all in

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make us believe that everything counts well they’re they’re having their cake and eat it too so like I understand and I also think that they’re doing the labeling wrong because I feel like the absolute universe is one universe but if you look at Absolute Batman that came out this week all in is on the corner and I’m like don’t have that in there or just have like maybe just absolute like logo and uh also not a star but if you saw Batman Batman which they restarted twice right they did New 52 they

00:51:09
restarted it again or is it with Tom King right yeah right so you now have and detective they never restarted but you now have Legacy numbering and they have a little triang pleas out right so they they have the triangle but the triangle in our head is how they how you would read Superman from 80 I don’t know 87 to 90 something maybe so you would read four issues of Superman in a month three or three to well four it was originally three was adventur Superman and four man Steel action action right of course uh action you

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know what’s that you know which created the whole right exactly so but you would read those in or the triangle time you know which it’s so funny now when I read that at the time I think the one I like the least which now I like the most was because I didn’t understand the art per se I wasn’t I was young is I disliked I liked them all but I liked the least I should say I like the least I liked Mana steel the least because I thought Superman looked too big on the page and I don’t care who’s double X I

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don’t care about the star the what what would they you know like the star uh Cadmus yeah I don’t care about Cadmus right but that is all Kirby con CS I don’t know that you know what I mean I don’t know that as a kid I’m like I don’t like this guy this guy looks weird you know double X I don’t understand this guy so and then as I got older I’m like oh I like that the most I like the boganov drawing kind of like Neil Adams John burn but then a Kirby like like like Lil it’s like oh

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like I love it now that’s my one of my favorite probably my favorite could be close to my favorite Superman artist I enjoyed all that but when Carl keel got a hold of it in super boy it made me appreciate CAD Miss more so when I went back and reread it I’m like all right I like this all you know sometimes a story that comes along later on makes you more interested in stuff that happened in the past in fact that’s our entire Comics life reading the new stuff in the 80s made us want to

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read the stuff in the 60s and the 70s and you know read everything yeah we literally tried to read everything ever yeah when grummet came back because it went it went away so it was castle and grummet starting super boy and then it went it went to a few other people it went it went to Ron Mars and Eduardo beretto right right or will Rado there was a couple people in there um but then when he came back when grummet came back and then it became omac and he was super boy Kandi yeahand so I’m just like oh my God like so so

00:53:53
that stuff was like I read that stuff backwards in a way well even even the whole even the whole my whole comic book life I read backwards in a way because my first comic book my first comic books were around the house Dad had dad had Comics around the house was moonight couple Master Kung Fu had a Hulk issue just kind of random stuff uh all Marvel at the time no DC but uh my first purchase comic was uh Peter Porker I think believe it was number nine I have it over there new stand I bought at 7-Eleven on Cooper Street in De New

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Jersey and bought it with my own money I had I had a Slurpee Cherry slurp and then I read it right right there right there I can pass by I pass by I know exactly where it is um but that was but I learned the the I learned through and you love parody so this is this will probably be a whole other episode eventually just parody parody and and the origin of our comic love right because Mad Magazine was uh at the Berlin mart and they were cheap and it was like I know those movies because those movies are on channel 17 and I

00:54:51
know Superman I know you know like so it’s like oh what’s this and they have the wax marker on them um but anyway so but I learned the Marvel Universe through Peter Porker the spectacular spiderham and my brother was already reading my brother was already an X-Men he was already reading X-men Spider-Man I’m just like I like this guy’s funny you know I didn’t know Spider-Man wasn’t funny because that was that was a serious Spider-Man that was a serious black costume Spider-man it was very

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serious you know pre Venom I don’t want that’s not funny you know there was no there’s no fun in that that’s all Roger Stern it’s all kind of pretty serious Spider-Man stuff uh death the gene the wolf like whatever anyway so um he was a good writer though like he he had a good handle he uh he did something that David melani did later which was H sometimes Peter can be cool it might be by accident or it might be subtle and he doesn’t even notice it like Roger Stern had him he I think he’s walking out of

00:55:42
The Daily Bugle and he has this piece of paper he just throws it kicks it goes in a trash can people are like what and Peter doesn’t even notice that he did it he just does it because it’s got perfect spider aim you know spider aim spider aim but you know funny like like you said did get into Marvel Comics by doing parody stuff first you know I read not BR E from the 60s and what the and then I got into what if great yeah so what’s interesting about what if is it tells you what really happened before it tells

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you the what if story so like okay now I know what happened really happened right expent died I’m like I don’t know they died why did they die you know what I mean like and then they really died I’m like okay so they didn’t die like you know was a very yeah a lot of those and also it was a horrible spoiler book like what if Electra lived I’m like oh Electra dies also who’s Electra who’s Electra with a CK well that one not first appearence Electra with a CK CK on the cover um

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Electra um Electra so the so somehow we got to this but the flip book this is where I think digital is actually hurting us a little bit because the all-in special which I terribly titled coming out of like you know and and Young Blood you read the way I read it right you read probably the the cover that we saw in ads first and then it the the home team home team right home and away um so digital you have no choice digital all in you’re reading it Danielson Perry is very it’s very and and and I don’t know did they dedicate

00:57:12
why don’t you just dedicated to Dwayne McDuffy just dedicated to Dwayne McDuffy that’d be fine because essentially is it Williamson and who else this was co-written by SNY right basically and and maybe McDuffy worked on it I guess you could just thank the borner brothers animation team in a way because the concept was Justice League Unlimited which is what the book’s going to be called Justice League Unlimited they do a satellite they’re all up there they get I don’t love that they have

00:57:41
membership cards that’s Avengers thing there’s an Avengers cover with membership cards on like there’s like seriously you could get Avengers log I believe you can fill you can cut it out and fill out your own membership card right I I had my own adventurous card you know maybe it should just be like the Justice League app they’re like hey we need you just special phone but see I feel like that everyone has it it’s less special it’s like a participation trophy for the DC Universe you ready you’re in the Justice

00:58:07
League here you go here’s your participation trophy here’s your card it’s it’s electric I guess like I don’t know it just doesn’t it’s portable I don’t you’re right it should be an app or something like it should be in your costume or some something it should be tree slightly it should be like a brain app that Martian Man Hunter hey you want to be in the Justice League I’m give you this little neuron yeah that activates this neon helps you get into to the you

00:58:31
know you already made it better you already made it better right I’ll call I’ll call Mark Wade it’s a little future you need to make it and who did uh was it I guess I guess it was Jeff Lo mcginness right was that who did the Y2K stuff was that I like the Metropolis Y2K it was mcginness and it was like future Concepts and there was 3D modeling which I didn’t love at the time but like kind of it was ambitious fun it’s of the era but yeah they made metropolis a futuristic city um I think the story was

00:59:00
they somehow take Brainiac and Brainiac made the city into like a Utopia like a true Metropolis I think one of the concepts was the the whale rail it was like a train that was just like an ocean liner train you know and it was a really cool I think it was a mcginness design yeah it was definitely against L sorry I’m trying to get my dog to not bark he’s doing nope okay um g a dog so I don’t know it and also I understand and it’s Daniel S Perry who did what was the last crisis dark crisis of dark

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crisis which in the middle dark crisis of in the middle to dark crisis on infinite Earth yeah exhausting but I felt that whole that was a little exhausting but danelon Perry I think got better and better and better so he did the majority of this book I believe that did the whole front end but it was just a little too I guess it was a little drawing so that was so normal and traditional right and then I also don’t like so then they have so it it splits to the very middle or I assume is the middle because again I’m reading it

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digitally the middle is a Dan MOA I guess we can spoil it like it’s it’s basically like a Legion of Superheroes dark sidey stuff dark side’s there there’s a there’s dark Legion superheroes good we like Legion we always talk about legion about various they never seem to know what to they haven’t known what to do I don’t know how long I think Wade was the last one that had handle on it so maybe if he’s if he’s you know gearing this then do that you know you know did a good job

01:00:35
with Legion I think when Wade left they brought in Jim shooter I think it was Francis manipole that was actually really good that’s right even though Jim shoter was writing a version of Legion that wasn’t the version that he wrote when he was 13 right right you imagine you imagine writing comic 13 how how did he get paid I don’t understand they wrote a check to Jim shoot how could he how did he cash his checks like I guess I don’t how did he have social SEC like did they take taxes out they wrote him

01:01:02
as a fre I guess they wrote him as a freelance right listen child labor laws were a little sketchy the further back you go the worse it is so yeah there was probably no law against the 13-y old working I mean you have child actors so why not child writers I guess yeah that’s very very strange yeah we’ll have to uh Legion we’ll have to have a legion episode um but it was just felt it to me I don’t know I like the first half of it but it’s very positive it’s very hey everyone this is the Justice League

01:01:31
Utopia that you kind of have won it yeah I don’t know it to me it felt a little it felt a little too too sweet you know it was a little too a little too sacran for me and then it when it turns and I also don’t like I I I understand that and again Dan MOA and H jnez they’re now they’re almost like the Russell daughter men of of DC right Russell dodman for years just has done ton of designs for Marvel characters you know so I feel like over here Dan MOA just kind of red does he did it on World’s Finest and

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just kind of redoes outf but slightly so I feel like he’s kind of the guy who’s doing that so they have just a center spread so it was a little bit I guess it’s I don’t know the coloring was cool on on the center spread but it was all it was just a two-page Dan MOA and again I almost wish I didn’t have a credits because it says in the first gr is Dan Mo later and I’m like all right I would have lik that to not not know that okay that’s okay uh but then it would have been a nice surprise I love surprises in

01:02:29
comic I would have known I would have known it was it more just credit or just put it in there um I don’t know yeah I would have liked to not known that middle and uh but but the Kia 2 thing that we talked about is that basically so this is so everything in the DC Universe is happening and then there’s some type of Rift point with dark side that it ends in absolute power it absolute power ends with with dark side and then there is a rift Universe basically so absolute universe is happening on

01:03:03
another it’s an infinite earth right it’s another it’s another they try to make it more special than just a typical Multiverse earth like it’s just this important as DC primer um which they if I remember correctly I should have looked this up they did start to set that up at the end of Dark crisis they do talk about this Earth that they couldn’t access or something and you know what else I don’t like that making Dark Side uh a singularity like there’s only one dark side since New 52

01:03:31
there’s like oh every Multiverse there’s only one dark side it’s not like every Multiverse has its own dark side and I think that causes a lot of problems and confusion being that we’ve known multiple dark sides throughout DC history yeah there’s a there’s Dark Side there’s a Jerry Conway dark side is slightly different there’s a gif and Future Dark Side slightly you know so yeah there’s you’re right there’s a bunch of there’s a burn Dark Side there’s elf worlds where he’s raised

01:03:58
Superman you know like there’s just a bunch of dark sides he’s not one dark side um yeah which is something I think Marvel’s actually doing with Galactus in their movies I think he’s a singularity oh that’s the uh that’s the rumor from that not that I want to go talk about movies yet but right yeah I mean we’ll see I mean but the the whole thing was is that and I I love the West Craig like art I think the West Craig art is I think the West Craig art is actually kind of the perfect

01:04:27
kickoff for like what absolute should be right all the Arts is pushing a little further is it it’s it feels very exciting I think dragado on Batman’s exciting Hayden Sherman has been sneakily through some DC books over the years work with Scott Snider in uh his dark for whatever his he has like a like a line an anthology line he did like um dark spaces but he did like one about fire that was like wonderful I don’t think he read that but like really really good Aiden Sherman’s been quietly

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really really good so I’m excited about the Wonder Woman book and Rafa is a little too we’ll see maybe he’ll stretch a little bit I’m not sure to me he’s he’s a very he’s a house style DC guy so he’s gonna be Dr absolute absolute Superman little house yeah I’m surprised he didn’t go with someone more stylistic but yeah like you said we’ll see we’ll see what he brings to it because especially what bat man has brought to the table it’s like he really

01:05:24
kicked open the doors with that book you know yeah well let’s end on the so so a story you’re you’re good with it you a story worked for you good set up yeah yeah little little little messy and like you said it is a little too sacrum but the sacrum part sets up for the the dark part later yeah so the flip book basically West Craig is just kind of the this really very new Gods very bloody um but the West CG art was was much different than I’ve seen him on Kaa and the deadly class um yeah so just

01:05:59
different and and it remind me of Sanford Green actually a little bit which Sanford Green that Doom one shot still in my head I love that Doom one shot so much um another Hickman book another Hickman book and that’s okay yeah all three all three Hickman books that we’ve talked about today are all out of continuity because the stuff he’s done in continuity has been making me makes me crazy that’s why like the secret Wars makes me a little crazy you know like it’s I don’t know he’s a writer you know

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not I’m trying to on him but he’s a writer that always starts off really good and somewhere in the middle he just I don’t know if he loses it or he just forgets like what he’s doing or what made the book really good to begin with so staying out of continuity and in short burst really a really good move I think yeah I think I want to say they’re doing like a a some type of uh a better Edition or doing some type of like special edition for that Doom book yeah because I think I think I would like to

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you know if I saw sford green he’s at cons I think he was at Baltimore too uh I think if they do a special edition book of that I want to get that because that’s so that book that book was I didn’t want that book to end I knew it was a little bit longer and I was reading I was like oh no this is a one shot and I’m having such a good time in this and it just was like that’s one of the best books of the year um but the yeah the main book and then but the flip book yeah the West Craig push of it

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really felt like something it felt like you know and that’s where the flip book question comes in I’m robbed of that a little bit but I don’t know if I would have read it the way I don’t know I don’t know how different it would be oh yeah you could could it because it’s it’s if you read that first you know like I don’t know you do I think it does make sense to read it second supposed if you read them concurrently you know but I think you have to read it the way the digital has

01:07:41
it sure I just don’t know if I would have if you know we’re robbed of that by having that digital space you know that we have to read it like this and that’s it and then also you’re not coming to the middle of the book so like there’s also that thing is you don’t really know when the book ends per se so you don’t know when like that’s the thing with digital is like you don’t have it in your hand like I I know especially when you could you know how when image would front

01:08:09
would backload the ads right so you knew how many pages you had left for this in an image book uh DC you know that it’s kind of spread throughout you know where the ads are Marvel same thing you know where the ads are but with something like this you know that’s it’s a flip book right so you know you’re get into the middle of it so I don’t know and to me that’s that’s what’s unfortunately lost with some paper by having non-paper stuff you know with something like this

01:08:34
you know now right when I asked you something because I know I think I think we talked about reading on paper because my iPad was dead and I went to Urgent Care this week because my daughter has bronchitis and I I thought I was sick and anyway so I went and my my iPad had like 1% I’m like oh no and I had to take like a paper book and I’m like oh paper you froze up Mark I don’t know if that’s me or you edit this out e there we go all right awesome all right I’ll have to edit that I guess I don’t

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know we just leave it um yeah my cat yeah if you what happened my cat walked across the thing I got I got see I saw you saw me kept trying to switch them out you know recording’s so long um yeah you record it just went there you froze and then you went to like a a Big M that’s awesome it was a it was a it was a green M it was brat brat summer m uh so oh yeah so the flip book thing I think we lost a little bit of that unfortunately because we don’t have that paper to to kind of see where we’re at

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you know um right yeah I’ve really come to love Marvel and DC Digital you know because their their paper quality isn’t always that great it kind of took away from the specialist what Comics used to be you know I you know some people like I love the feel of paper and I’m like I love making a panel bigger for my old man eyes you know there’s definitely an old man component uh absolute Batman was like it’s it’s it’s I don’t know what all his influences are it’s kind of

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interesting like I think some of his influence I feel like some especially with the faces I feel like a lot of it is you know some some Japanese or maganga influence and Chinese like I feel like a lot of it is that it’s manga Miller there were panels there were P that had 12 panels on it you know I just have a look at what I’m like but the Scott Snider is working hard to make the story flow to make the dialogue flow you know he knows he’s got a strong artist with drat so drat is telling the story you barely need the

01:11:41
dialogue and I think Scott Snider realized that that’s why there’s because he especially when he started he was very dialog heavy which you know when you’re a new writer right that’s what you do because you’re insecure but you know Comics is 90% art you know and with Dr he hit it out of the park he he knew who he was writing for yeah I don’t know and they’ve never worked together right this is never they’ve never worked not that I not that I recall yeah not doing research well I

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mean they might have worked together let’s never do research so we get stuff wrong and uh because we love listening to podcast where things are wrong and then we get all mad and that would get crazy yeah how do you not know that what yeah this this was a big impactful book man like pretty much from the get-go that cover I mean I’ve been I’ve looked at that cover I’ve just lingered on that cover for a long time I think that’s really crazy and I don’t know if you saw the third print cover it’s the motorcycle

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jump okay zoomed in a little bit so yeah the so the future printings are probably just going to chop it up and take different pieces because there’s a couple of them there’s a piece where he’s like you know where he’s yelling at the crowd and he has like spikes coming out of his back and it’s like it’s really powerful it’s the most it’s the most but but but even with him walking around the town very dark night because I think that Dark Knight Returns has him smaller than normal the

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panels were very were very different in Dark Knight Returns what which is why it’s so impactful because you’re like he’s walking around town is this is this commissioner gord’s got a mustache is that Commissioner Gordon or is that is that Bruce Wayne like there’s just a lot of stuff initially and where my mustache go like you know I mean and when we first saw that that just changed everything that there you know I mean Watchman was coming out at the same time but watchman’s nine panel grid a lot of

01:13:29
stuff was nine panel grid you know what I mean so but it was working with inside the nine panel grid which was so fascinating but Frank Miller was like I’m gonna break the nine panel grid and I’m gonna have a big giant splash page of him jumping off and I do think that there’s Major Impact because the biggest one of the biggest flash pages of my life is when bman gets the the um the symbol like shot off right um and then he’s like at in the camera’s face and then here they take the bat off and he

01:14:01
has kind of the same mesh underneath you know but it’s yellow he a yellow mesch why would you have yellow mesch that makes no sense that was the argument of like because they told what at the time they told now this is all out the window but at the time in what 86 they told Frank Miller like we need the symbol we need the circle so he has it for what two pages and then they shoot it off and then he’s like oh I don’t have that costume I just have some old costumes in the back I’m going to wear this old

01:14:24
costume now what a what a smart move that’s because you uh you can’t trademark a bat but you can trademark a bat in the yellow circle right came from 66 was that a 66 situation yep okay okay yeah those couple years are pretty fascinating of all that stuff there’s a lot of lore even with Superman there’s a lot of lore of that stuff where it was it was like radio drama became continuity uh you know serials became continuity Batman same thing trademark and and television stuff went back and

01:14:54
forth continuity super was a Batgirl created for 66 TV show yeah well they had a Batgirl but she was different they had bat woman a Batgirl Kathy Kane and her niece and then they’re like all right we’re gonna do a new bgirl and we want her to be a redhead and you know what smart move yeah that’s it’s great yeah so I mean this this whole thing was it was just page after page very impactful I do like uh Alfred pennyworth as like an MI6 operative I think it’s awesome um and they drop a couple things

01:15:28
in there they mentioned Henry dukart but I’m I’m I’m trying to figure out that and then of course the the the last page spoiler is gonna kind of set that up because I think that you have to have that as much as you know I may not want that on Front Street it’s fine you know what I mean I it’s I feel like you need that I don’t know I think that’s a very uh yeah let’s save the last pay spoiler let let it not be spoiled but you know what great Direction good dialogue good

01:15:59
description of Dead character you know let’s see how that promoting and that’s the thing is like again in the spirit of like what we want to say so from the space of you know if we have two we have two ratings kind of like I was saying like to me when I read some stuff sometimes I’m just like and again just to kind of talk about movies for a second there’s that that theory of late that’s been kind of coming out saying like no one tries no one sets out to make a bad bad movie right that’s not

01:16:27
there’s this chemistry that may not work so we we never think that like you’re purposely making this comic book bad that’s not the way it is some there’s some breakdown of the chemistry you are spending like eight to 14 hours just penciling a page like you’re not gonna even when you crap it out you’re still spending four to six hours drawing a page yeah and sometimes it it can work in your favor you know sometimes the pressure of it can work in your favor and it looks awesome like when we find

01:16:52
out when books and this book was done in two days you’re like really I don’t know like like we don’t know because we just like the rawness of it you know um but Mar Drew an issue of Spider-Man in like half a week or something Kirby was drawing what a comic a week you know these guys are just incredible was was that was was Larson draw on that is that one because I remember when I was this actually was a pet peeve mine when they took away I thought it was such a cheat they took away Spider-Man’s Powers right

01:17:19
so they took out the blue highlights of his legs yeah you don’t have to draw muscle definition you’re telling me that and then on newsprint it looked bad because it made the black the black sunk into the page a little bit so it made it look weird look faded yeah yeah look it’s not and I’m like oh my God I hate this but yeah that was like I was like oh there must be some deadline stuff going on because that’s bi-weekly you know like that’s when I think that’s right around the bi-weekly time but I

01:17:43
was like oh this is very convenient that he loses pow so like you just don’t have to draw a lot of muscle definitions just black here legs black I love drawing the legs the legs especially I love I used to love drawing the me I used to love drawing Spider-Man you know he was like one of my favorite characters draw I love drawing the webs the the costume the muscle definition on the the blue Parts yeah I guess I guess was McFarland the I’m just trying to think about like who drew it pre I mean it went to black

01:18:09
costume for a long time but uh you know the black costume might have been where they really started doing some muscle definition because you had to do something you had to do white backwards right yeah that’s probably where the origin kind of came from but yeah I always thought was that was kind of crappy but uh but the two you know I remember reading something recently I’m like hey I can’t believe this is bad you know this shouldn’t be bad and I said I was like I’m like dumb struck or I said

01:18:34
I was dumb founded by it you’re like well we have to call it we’ll have to call it dumb struck so I would say all in I have to say all struck because I have to go because there’s really two rate I’m just doing two best wor there’s no there’s no middle rating right now and even the dumb bound that I don’t we don’t want it to come off negative it’s like this didn’t work exactly for what I wanted and I’d say absolute Batman if you can even put that that’s I love that

01:18:57
absolute Batman is kind of our first like review review because I think that’s the best book probably since Transformers one I think has being the most impactful book for in the last few years like that was that was pretty nuts I feel like that was like definitely something that I wanted to reread right right away I looked through it I’m zooming in I’m looking at it um but I feel like funny a funny connection and that’s something we I love to make connections in comics you know and

01:19:24
everything we’ve talked about has conne connected to something else whether whether we talked about Roy Thomas doing this and then shooter coming back to do Legion or we talked about Jeff LOE doing Batman and awesome like everything just connected and spiraled in this weird conversation we’re having but uh you know when we were reading when I was reading as with Batman and they get to the I’ll call it the Dark Knight page where it’s the full reveal of Batman it’s like it not only gave a dark knight

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feel but it also gave a Larson Spider-Man feel in a way that when he was drawing Spider-Man especially during the C six story line every issue you got a onepage blash of Spider-Man doing something whether he’s he’s flying over vulture or he’s like about to fight Electro and that’s also reminiscent of what dipco did in the original Amazing Spider-Man Annual number one like he did the same thing he do a panel Spider-Man fighting that character and and reading absolute Batman when you

01:20:17
got to that page of Batman it’s so worth it it’s earned it’s an earned pinup yeah because you’ve spent so many panels creating everything right um it was just a really and there was like I don’t know it was like halfway through the book before we got Batman or if not further um yeah well Batman steals the I mean a lot of it’s just like pennyworth you see the gun you see the hand and it’s a misdirect right off you know because it’s like okay we’re going to the

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theater okay we’re gonna we’re gonna have Batman Origin okay here we go you know I mean like then we’re it’s like we were going to they did a couple misdirects in it they did a misdirect with uh with Alfred they you know the the motorcycle later on like there’s a couple callbacks to it yeah I don’t know I think I think all of it’s like really something you know what it remind me of that huge Bruce Wayne working on like a construction site just reminded me of like when was when Thor in the Simonson

01:21:10
run where he was like siger Json where he was just like a guy he never turned back to Thor he just like put on glasses actually there was a Superman cameo in that Superman and Lois are walking by remember you know and I was like and then that was when I was young reading that I’m like is that allowed to be I don’t think that’s allowed you know I remember that it was taboo at the time it was so taboo I remember what the put Superman or super duper man or whatever stupid man I they called him into John

01:21:37
Burn’s fantastic po parody I’m like can they do this right are they allowed yeah it is parody you know another two another good example is H the Batman movie was so big when Spider-Man had his Cosmic Powers he like grabs this guy and the guy’s like who are you I’m bat Spider-Man right right right yeah it was it was very it was like stupid pop culture yeah the first five minutes of that movie is just like imprinted on our brain yeah you know uh oh my God yeah that’s that’s so

01:22:08
insane so yeah so I say all struck all struck uh the third one did I have a third one I thought I had a third one we were gonna talk about third book I guess we didn’t read it did you have a Marvel book or anything or anything else that you read uh nothing’s popping I mean obviously I we read a lot but uh it’s been a busy week so I’m not really as caught up as I should be um so I mean I’m still reading Amazing Spider-Man um and it feels weird I think we had this I could say I could say

01:22:42
dumbfounded on that the last three issues nothing has happened there’s nothing has happened in three issues it’s it’s a long drawn it’s enough stuff happened that it’s like it’s one issue worth a story in three issues that’s what I feel like and that being said a couple months ago you called me like I don’t know if I love because it was kind of a dialogue issue like I don’t know if I love Romeo on this and I’m like yeah it was okay but then the last three issues that being

01:23:09
said again dumbfounded that it’s spread it’s so spread out but I love the way Rita is drawing this like action sequence for he’s beating up Tombstone for that was really good yeah and I’m like oh but I’m I guess I’m so confused at the editorial there because um Zeb Wells closes his his storyline and then they they don’t they didn’t have I feel like they were scrambling they didn’t have the writer coming back they had I guess it was Joe Kelly’s coming on right is that right

01:23:38
correct yeah um they he’s not ready to come back so they’re just like uh Z Wells I know you just finished it can you give us six issues and then you know what you can just keep working on the dangling plot lines where plot lines you closed and just well just reopen a bit just shake that can and see what else comes out that’s right yeah it’s exactly like what what else you got in the B it’s so weird like that’s I’ve never seen that I’ve never seen that before where they

01:24:06
they you know and I feel like there’s a lot of like like up in the air stuff I feel like the Xmen wasn’t supposed to be Gail Simone that being said because I have no expectation of Gail Simone I like that b kind of the best the J McKay was good but The Uncanny I mean Marquez helps a whole lot but I kind of like that one best I think I just like all those I’m most familiar with the characters and then I want to say that X fors might be a solid two as well uh well three I guess three but um but X for because I like I like

01:24:38
Forge so I’ve always like for so I think I think I’m gravitating more towards the characters but I like the characters who’s because there’s a there’s a guy who’s basically like box right isn’t there like an armor isn’t that the guy it’s a guy in armor it’s a guy in a thing that’s an X Force but I’m like like I always like that big guy right was it was in it was box or whatever is an alpha flight it’s always the same guy you know but but I really like

01:25:02
Juggernaut Juggernaut the Juggernaut magic stuff they’re doing in X-Men X-Men uh the McKay um Jed McKay Ryan segment that’s been fun and I think the I think that the Juggernaut design I think it’s so goofy looking but I love it like I love it and that’s again going back to like the drot design of Batman like mess around with it like it’s very inspired I feel like the Xmen I feel like the the Stegman artwork is inspired I feel like he’s like he’s doing um okay I get to

01:25:37
draw X-Men you know like it used to be it doesn’t feel exciting anymore because again Marvel reboots like crazy you know this is X-Men what it’s not that special anymore it was X-Men volume one right jimly and then it’s been I think this is probably volume they don’t even they don’t even tell you anymore they don’t they don’t have it DCs are no good they don’t know because they because they don’t know what books to count as X-Men like when they came X-Men it was

01:26:01
replaced by whatever it’s like well this is a continuation of that but it’s a different title so if you go back to Legacy numbering does that count is amazing X right because then they have like amazing X-Men they have except exceptional X-Men now right and they have it’s absolute X or no was absolute what was the oh they should do that one right Xmen do absolute X-Men that’s the that’s the book I’m gonna that’d be really funny I’m G to pitch that yeah that’ be really

01:26:28
um all right so we could go media we’re doing so we we both saw things that the other person didn’t see so last night yeah right exactly good good episode one move uh so I two MCN NOA things the last two weeks that I the drawing monsters documentary I just bought on iTunes it was going to it was in conventions forever feels like it’s a couple years old but still very very solid didn’t do exactly and then it’s so funny I listened to the audio of that guy who helped uh who did the

01:27:01
directed it and and kind of curated it uh was on was on a different podcast word balloon but he was saying that people are mad at him because it didn’t like Wikipedia through oh you skipped this part you skipped that part that’s way I felt a little bit but I’m was like well I can I can read that stuff I can read that interview I can do that but but really really good but I but I think it gave it a better idea of like this like aloof Creator coming from different background coming from different story

01:27:28
and just almost accidentally falling into creator of Hellboy like it’s kind of nuts like how like this thing happened so and you could tell the story because I thought this was an afterthought in a different article on vulture or something so Hellboy exists because of a cover disagreement from who we believe is Bob Harris right right so Rob life or I’m sorry so I’ll kind of start it so mola mentioned something when he’s just mola needed money so he literally would just show up to offices

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this is him I’m not saying this he admitted this he just shows up in offices and just kind of hangs out draws a pin up inks some pages like just draws this was just it’s crazy so he mentioned something he’s like just kind of throwing away like I don’t know if I like Rob leld so but it’s exciting it’s something what is this I wonder if wonder if I can just kind of throw it out there wonder if I should draw over him what if I drew over him because when we were young we didn’t

01:28:28
know anything about this we didn’t know this was laid out by lifea we just was like oh my god wow there’s a magnola story in the middle of this xforce book what the heck’s going on yeah X Force number eight not there’s no credit on the cover no credits you just it starts off uh I think Cannonball had gotten Tor open by Sauron and you’re like oh what’s gonna happen to canonball and then it’s like oh here’s a flashback and yeah we’re not gonna say right it was so M was so

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jarring to me at first I just wanted life beld but then like when you read it you’re like this is really powerful stuff these are really good storytelling and then you find out 20 years later lield laid out the whole issue and he post them and I’m like oh wow mola did a really good job following life’s layout he would change a couple things you know but I’m like who knew we went around for 20 years this pure right pure Manola yeah and what’s what’s so the the basic thing that ended up

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happening why this is like his last work for Marvel I guess right besides some variant covers later later later later on yeah yeah um this is after jungle Adventure um he mentions to the editor he’s like well I want to draw cover but I want Rob to draw the outer cover or something like that he’s like okay yeah we’ll we’ll we’ll work on it it was kind of blown off which would have been cooler I think I’ve never seen that I don’t know if I’ve ever seen that before I might

01:29:50
there might be a couple there might be some Perez burn stuff that I’m thinking of potentially that there might be something like that but it would basically be like a frame kind of like the first couple Pages it would be like a maybe cable on top and then he’s like maybe showing your computer and the computer is I don’t know I don’t know what I don’t know what it would have been it seemed interesting right yeah yeah but at that time they’re like get the books out you know this

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guy’s leaving because at what point was that announced I guess this is a very young blood Centric episode what when if eight comes out is Young Blood announced at that time because he only did what two three more issues of xforce he’s drawing young probably at this time no he only Drew one more issue of xforce right number nine so advertising wise Marvel tries to sue life Fel because he drew executioners in a onepage ad he and he’s like you’re not allowed to do that he gets in trouble they didn’t sue him

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they just he got an angry call or from an editor that was like you can’t call a book and X you know whatever executioners you can’t have X in it right like they own the letter x despite Malibu already had done X mutants x x mutants was for for 83 or 84 that came out right yeah so like well I I don’t see the big deal and Berserkers is actually a better name I think but he what he changed those characters to the Berserkers and you know what’s funny because uh executioners was uh I think

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he had actually brought that name up instead of exforce like that was one of the names because you always pitch multiple things the next course is the one that suck right right right so it’s funny so these editors probably the same editor strangely helped create helped push away lield cool right Young Blood happens right um well I don’t think it actually has anything I think lield never really complains about Harris at that time okay um but the the the leld move was he was going to stick around

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and he still wanted to do the cable and the highlords miniseries and he was still plotting X force x Force 10 and 11 he was still plotting I don’t think he got credit and he did draw the cover to X Force 11 with Domino and Deadpool on the cover right right right right that’s you know and the X and the cable miniseries we got blooded metal that John Rita Drew is a heavy Life plot like real heavy right so it was a weird move on Marvel’s part they pushed out all the image guys um and they shouldn’t have

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like don’t get angry about it like these guys love Marvel you know Larson still I mean we’ll get to this but they all did not want to leave leave except for to far Tom mcfarling was the only guy who’s like I’m not going back right um because he had already quote unquote retired and it’s funny to think that we actually thought he really retired he’s like I’m done with Comics I think he was having a kid at the time and we’re like oh no mcfarley has never gone to draw Comics again right right

01:32:41
and he was probably like 35 at the time you know like right right yeah so uh so basically I guess mnol is back in office the book is done ready to go to press and he sees a CO he mentions that did I do you need that cover did you talk to Rob about it or whatever and then they said that he sees the cover I guess he sees the cover that goes to press right the eight cover and then he gets myed miffed about and then when they ask him they kind of blow him off again so he’s like I’m out and then they

01:33:13
offered him another miniseries right like oh you can draw this X-Men miniseries to play him right and it’s not the big no it was a name but like we were enjoying his work we his 90s Pinups were awesome and they usually had he did two or three with cable and Wolverine and you know he was really building himself up into something that we wanted to see and then Marvel didn’t catch in on that you know I don’t know what that miniseries was he didn’t announc it he didn’t say what it was I don’t think it

01:33:42
ever came out I think I think he mentioned it never happened he said he said it never happened you know so we missed out on I don’t know something something neat yeah I feel like the only thing that I could have thought it could have been that I think it would have hit of sensibilities would have been that asan son stuff that all that which uh ganha did I think that he would have been great on something like that just like kind of dis for future no back really later that was so something else would have been and you know the

01:34:11
scami sun would have been really interesting because he had done that X Force 8 and to follow up X Force 8 with more future cable stuff would have been a really smart move he also would have did a good Nightcrawler or Gambit you know he’s he loves shadows and those two characters you know Gambit with his jacket and you know light crawler with his ability to disappear in the shadows that would have been deast offu but instead we get uh we get Dracula tops goes oh you’re looking for work scooped them right

01:34:41
up that was a really good that was a really well-drawn series Dracula yeah the uh the the that documentary kind of credits that Batman issue he did that like Cathedral issue they kind of feel that that’s like Hellboy zero which I don’t know I feel like that came out I think before Dracula they didn’t talk about Dracula in Legend of Dark Knight Dracula nope not at all zero that’s a very strange thing to miss because that was important to us because we were we were just in it though like those early 90s we were just

01:35:13
in it we were reading everything buying everything yeah so the whole thing with the the mola doc I’d I’d still say that a good I would say it’s rental I think $4.99 I bought it I think it was $12.99 to buy but I I don’t know if I’ll ever watch it again I didn’t have no extras whatever but you know uh but I wanted to watch it that’s fine and then same thing with crooked man I didn’t buy it I just rented it and the thing with crooked man I’m trying to think the guy who

01:35:42
directed he’s directed a couple here and there new hboy movie the third Hellboy movie the third their direct DVD basically not necessarily like a Walmart like the fourth movie right the fourth third Incarnation so but to me third Incarnation like first cboy movie is seed of Destruction right right I think that that that’s and the second one is is is a Del Tor movie which which is chronicled in that documentary that it is not that’s where they they show the rift of them and they both talk about it

01:36:14
he’s like I’m doing this he’s like well how with do he’s like I’m making the movie I’m making the movie and that’s where del Toro’s ego just keeps going and what are you going to do you know I mean like you have to have a certain ego to direct a movie period like you have to have this like kind of you got to be able to say yes and no without a second thought and you gotta keep going you got to keep going so um now this this the one that came out a couple years ago I’m try I don’t remember who

01:36:40
directed but the guy who and it should have been good because that guy yeah and that guy directed some like uh I think he did high tension that HS have eyes so I’m pretty sure that’s the same guy but like but the whole thing that is a bummer like but to me the Hellboy was uglier and there was only a couple times where I felt like it was Hellboy there’s a there’s a part where um you know broom goes in and starts talking on him he’s like gotta go to the Osirus Club he’s like that he’s like

01:37:04
that strip club in Jersey and just the way he says it and he’s eating is very hell booy but that the model of it was just a little too ugly I don’t know it didn’t always work for me but in the artistic style and this is moving into this one this is a story that I’m not super crazy about the crooked man it’s okay uh but that’s a beast it’s it’s it was it’s a Richard Corbin story okay right and they take other pieces from like elf they take a couple little bits of two

01:37:38
other stories uh but what I kind of love about it is that I don’t to me every the Hellboy there’s a side character and then a a female the three main characters there’s a priest and there’s Crooked Man and there’s also like this witch in in a tree they’re all performing the best that they can perform no one is I like it because it’s super consistent no one is better than anyone else the hellboy’s not magnificent and this guy’s crappy she’s crappy no they’re all like very

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good and consistent um this is my Richard Corbin movie and I think it’s it’s it’s very Grindhouse it’s very I love the title sequence in the beginning it’s just a barely a score and then they just show four pieces of woods and if if you know anything about hboy stories that are side stories that are in like dark hor presents Crooked Man miniseries here and there it’s GES to town is this the I I do like this because they do the same thing in the hobo books hellboy’s around so no one’s

01:38:43
like what is this guy like he’s just a guy that comes in he’s just a detective that shows up he gets a call there’s a person on the ground and they’re stuck in a in a state they were possessed by something and he’s like I got to figure this out you know like it’s it’s kind of cool um but what I really liked about it is that like all the special effects are pretty good it’s all it’s just very good across the only my only complaint and and I’m just surprised and it was short

01:39:10
as hour 36 and it’s just like good and the the character’s scary there’s a couple good jump scares in it um the only thing that I don’t understand and they didn’t do it in the last two they did it really well in the first one the best power of Hellboy viscerally is what what would you say like what is thing like besides the hand and all that stuff like what’s what’s the what’s the primary thing when you think of Out Boy like that’s that’s a power in a way I’m not I’m sure I’m following you

01:39:46
here like what like like just like the aesthetically like like what’s the aesthetic thing that we that we think is just crazy about it I don’t know for me maybe it’s just for me I don’t I you know we talked about Hellboy so so many different detail I think the big to me I think that the use of red in the first hellway movie is just like solid red in a like Stark the Stark redness of it of the first one is the best the second one correct things are more gold than red right the the haror one it’s just kind

01:40:19
of like he’s red but it doesn’t lets up St it doesn’t make it yeah it doesn’t stand out it’s not this’s yeah this one he’s almost brown because they color grade everything so heavily that he’s not I I just think it could have been a little cooler if and I do think whatever bodybuild listen they’ve gotten it down the bodybuild is ridiculous no one has to necessarily have to get in shape anymore I don’t know if haror got in shape but like he had a bodysuit in but to me like I love

01:40:47
that I have three different versions of Hellboy in my lifetime Hellboy is 40 years old I guess but like you have three different versions you have a very magnola version2 right I think you have a really good version of uh I think that the harbor is the Duncan for cre vers still ugly yeah oh yeah it’s his story yeah it’s wild Hunt it’s Osiris and Osiris club and that’s my favorite that little Trilogy is my favorite it’s period that’s the best story all through I want to say it’s

01:41:21
like uh Hellboy like Library Edition like four like I’ve read that a couple times that alog together is the absolute Pinnacle uh but this one and and I wish it was a TV series I wish to God if this creative team I don’t know this guy’s name Jack Casey I don’t know he is if this creative team I don’t know how much it’s cost but it was written by Christopher golden uh the director and magnola okay the story about magnola three Christopher golden wrote I don’t know countless

01:41:54
a ton besides arudi is WR written the most I would say it’s magnola arudi and and that’s it I mean he literally wrote Hellboy novels you know right so I think that the the the grasp of Hellboy is perfect in this the way it ends is very could be very easily just do a new one go to a new town you know this is 1959 I want to say so again what’s cool about it is that you can just kind of plop it in because hellboy’s been in existence but plays around a little bit with some Hellboy continuity and it works all of it work

01:42:27
to me it was just like I know exactly what I’m getting and I’m very pleased you know it sounds it sounds easy enough it’s like almost like a little bit of the 70s Hulk like going town to town helping people out you could do it cheap enough like this would be a good HBO series and what’s crazy about it is that Ron proman but I think Ron proman still makes money I think he’s still kind of a draw he’s still in a B or C or D player and stuff and I doubt he want to put all the makeup on but the reason why I think

01:42:55
it’s interesting is that Ron proman started out with Beauty and the Beast and he had makeup on like just throw a bunch of stuff on him yeah he doesn’t I don’t need to see his chest you know throw a t-shirt on I don’t care second movie have a t-shirt I don’t care you know I mean there’s enough of there’s enough of that stuff but but I would have this guy this guy I think is relatively young I think this guy’s really good I think his line he does an O crap he does he says the f word I

01:43:14
think once or twice and I’m like like I just like the O crap I to me that’s always fine I don’t need the F because it’s rated R you know it’s funnier to do o crap it’s it’s good it I think every bit of it kind of lands and um yeah if if I could have this if you could make I don’t know what if it’s making anything I have no idea you know to maybe look at that but but speaking of making no money because this movie didn’t come out at all like at least with Hellboy the David

01:43:41
Harbor came out for two weeks one week two week I saw it by myself you know in the midst of a one of the divorces I’m not sure um but I went to go see it and saw it and I was by myself of course eating my popcorn cry my popcorn extra salt um but but I like that that was fun too so I don’t know I I I wish it could get going because again the second one the part of the part of the the David Harbor one is he had Daniel Day Kim as a Dao and I’m like oh man you know and then they have a they have a they have

01:44:13
lobster Johnson in that okay they show stuff from the like kind of they overlap some first stuff I don’t think you needed to do that but it it’s weird that they rebooted it like that that they one to just bit of should have been a continuation like just do it right you don’t need to go back to any of that stuff I don’t need to see hellboy’s birth again I got it you know it’s not necessarily like like Bruce Wayne got shot in you know like or the alleyway it’s not exactly that but it’s not you

01:44:40
can just say it in in Exposition or show a picture they’ve did that in a couple books where they just show the picture you see baby Hellboy and you see a bunch of people around them that’s how I think they even maybe even done into destruction I’m not sure if they even go into his it might have been wake the devil when they go into his act like origin origin so you know you know me I’m very anti- reboot if you could just continue the story and I think just recasting Hellboy and just you don’t

01:45:03
have to like you said you don’t have to reference the first two movies but know that they happened and you know if you can reference it even better you know I I think Doug Jones is retiring El but it’s a bummer they couldn’t figure anything out that they couldn’t just have like because Doug Jones is kind of a TV player now he’s been on Star Trek Discovery for seven years or something like that right right um right Five Five Seasons but yeah yeah so he’s got the and he’s phen’s the best thing about

01:45:26
that show he’s so good it’s like seven feet tall he looks so crazy like it’s so it’s so weird but um I almost prefer him with makeup on like yeah I don’t know it’s it’s weird to see that right exactly but yeah but he makes shape of water but to me like to me like it’s weird that you know a shape water never would have happened if it wasn’t for the two elboy movies like you know you when I and I and I think I don’t remember if mnol even worked on that it was just

01:45:53
like I’m just going to take kind of some stuff and I’m just going to go make this other movie um so speaking of not making a lot of money I don’t know what this H boy movie made but it it was talked about talked about talked about came out I’m hoping it’s doing pretty well I think it’s G to get good word of mouth I think it’s gonna gain a little bit of something because I do think it’s very watchable it’s so it’s halfway decent like you’re saying you know I mean I I

01:46:13
want to see it I just haven’t had the time yet but you know I want to see it I love Hellboy all the decisions made the score is really good and all the decisions made and it ended with the same type of like weird like quick cut end credits very Grindhouse like very cool and I just I don’t know I just had a ball with it I was just like really excited about it uh I feel like it’s a weird move to not try to like get it in movies a little bit even if it’s a limited release or you know just like

01:46:38
can we make a couple million dollars to start and then we’ll put it on digital well yeah I’m almost curious that like the um because I think the Superman movie was a Fandango and now it’s out again the Fandango screenings did well and now it’s the super slman Christopher restory is now out out so that’s out in theaters again it was supposed to go yeah so I think that’s making some some money now but no I agree and even when we we went to go see that Frank Miller documentary that was a

01:47:03
Fango one nighter and it was kind of crowded it was it was pretty full I imagine that through the US they they had enough I think that it would make sense to have that live stream in the beginning which wasn’t great but you know it was something it was something but we’ve been to the Transformers events and they’re very poorly planned and very not content fill and yeah they’re just kind of like the last one very odd you know they just throw up a thing these people died by like you know it was like very weird I

01:47:33
was like this is weird and and and 10 minutes was like a commercial for like here’s everything coming out Transformers which is fine do that you know if I gotta watch a a five or 10- minute commercial about everything you’re doing to watch Peter colen and Frank Welker voice act yeah I’m I’m in right right but it was done very strange and then you saw there no like they didn’t plan it right right right and you saw and I haven’t seen it yet so we we’ll finish that one then we’ll go to

01:47:58
what we both saw together uh is Joker which we didn’t talk you haven’t said at all what your opinion is it’s not doing well um it is not doing well it’s unfathomable that they gave him cart Blanc to just do everything like I mean it’s blank check it’s a blank check movie it’s a blank Che made a billion dollars there you go it’s Batman Returns I’m going to put penguins in the in in and the Penguins and I’m going to have a slow Countdown by this lady you know the

01:48:25
slowest countdown ever slowest countdown of all time you know like we can look back on it finally but I remember I did I was disappointed in Batman I liked a lot of it but I remember leaving I’m like what was a lot of penguin like I don’t know it wasn’t wasn’t it’s a Tim Burton movie more than a Batman movie just like Hellboy 2 is a you know I mean it’s a Del Hellboy it’s a delor movie um I still love Batman Returns it’s really there’s a musical number in the middle

01:48:50
of Hellboy too and just did they they do like what raindrops falling on my head in the middle of it and I’m watching like what is this right and even Spider-Man 3 Musical musical in the middle you’re like what am what what’s happening so I think so musical may be the breaking point of films right Bally superer oh superhero films superhero fil maybe maybe they like the Spider-Man musical number it’s they do in Spider-Man they do Spider-Man 2 as well they do bring drop B on my head right and Spiderman

01:49:18
too that’s right they do The Melancholy Freeze Frame yeah that’s right yeah that’s freeze see that was good uh the but the dance musical number of Spider-Man 3 is a little little rough um fact all the singing Spider-Man 3 is rough Mary James is not a good singer you know or I know she’s not supposed to who was that important it’s not as if like kir and dun is a Broadway star why did they decide this like okay listen listen you have Lady Gaga in your movie right what are you gonna do maybe adverti that it’s a

01:49:51
musical yeah may maybe mention something but I heard the musical is weird because it’s there’s some diagetic there’s songs you know then there’s songs that are original in it is that right her song yeah yeah um it’s a weird everything about this movie is weird he tried not to make a sequel to Joker one in his sequel to Joker one in the end everything weird money it was just made for money there’s no artistic value in it there’s stuff I really like walking Phoenix is always

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fun to watch Lady Gaga is always gorgeous to watch there’s really good scenes there’s creepy things but all in all like you kind of want your movie Universe to progress you know whether that was Joker because the first movie ends and he’s like he’s captured by the police but he’s free and then you know you’re like oh is he gonna build a gang is he gonna build something but like he doesn’t and this is just basically a long musical Law and Order episode done for 100 times the budget and that’s what

01:50:48
it feels like it feels like an episode of Law and Order and it’s St that it cost 200 million to make well I don’t know what a Todd Phillips movie is right because like again he did the the the he did I guess after the hanger movies he did Old Dogs is that right is that the only other one old dogs War Dogs War he did like he did a documentary or something he was involved in um he he’s a really good director of original movies like I like old school I like road trip you know um I like hangover but then nobody

01:51:22
likes hangover two and I’ve never seen hangover three so maybe he’s just not a sequel guy right right right and and I hesitate to spoil the ending of Joker I don’t know if anyone is going to watch this yeah are we I don’t know if we’re gonna be spoilers or not Mark yeah I’d say no spoiler on it because I didn’t I don’t I don’t want to know either I want to I know it’s polarizing I know all that stuff but I’m surprised I’ve been shielded by it you know that’s

01:51:48
also kind of interesting I don’t know that is interesting it’s because nobody’s seeing it Mark so nobody can tell you yeah or if anything I see I get close to it I get I just pull push off of it so I don’t know yeah because we because you and I we enjoy we enjoy surprises in stories I hate spoilers I hate them with a passion and I do my best to avoid them yeah so media translation my favorite my favorite media translation that I never that I never thought about it was in Daredevil

01:52:13
the Ben Affleck Daredevil where he sleep he sleeps in a uh sensory deprivation chamber because how would he sleep I’ve never seen that that’s never been in a comic book and I’m like oh wow okay so we like what we like about lot these comic movies is like what do they slightly change to okay if we have to do this in reality how does this make sense now that being said in the same movie you have the exact Frank Miller fight in uh a playground which in real visual style looks goofy as hell like it looks

01:52:45
really my favorite movie it’s correct sometimes things don’t transfer sometimes things do sensory deprivation tank is a genius idea that worked well in a movie him with money I don’t know anything about money yeah I don’t know anything I’m like oh I guess how would they pay for things you know that’s super interesting but the worst thing is when H oh what’s the hell’s the journalist name I’m blanking it’s Ben y Ben yeah Ben yeah like a daredevil must have beat up all

01:53:18
these people how do you know and he just like throws a matchd down and the two DS and Fire light up and I’m like did darev after the crow after theow well did Daredevil like I beat up all these people let me get out my kerosene and make a big D know I did let me just do this let me get lighter fluid and let me draw this how do you draw that how how you you’re BL he’s BL he’s like all right this this is definitely a d d and then the Little D little circles do people know he’s

01:53:49
Daredevil like his Daredevil thing you know very a funny it’s a funny scene it’s not meant to be funny yeah actually there’s a weird tag well not a there’s a weird thing in in Hellboy uh the the new Hellboy where there’s like a marking right so so you’re going to mark it right there’s a witch that literally paints blood on a white horse okay got it knew you were there right cool right you can do graffiti you know what I mean like you can do something you can do something but yeah the the that was a

01:54:21
very 90s trip like we’re going to put it you know I don’t know it was really goofy that was no good yeah so we like it if if it pulls away so you’re saying Joker for the most part because okay so wait let’s go back to so the end of Joker one he goes to jail and then he’s talking to the shrink at the end and we know that basically the cha he’s the agent of chaos great they do a great job he gets arrested what is happening outside how many Joker clones are there how many gangs are there like that’s

01:54:50
that is the interesting part but then o know that you don’t have to do this because what what to me what always rang false in the first movie is he doesn’t have to be in the bathroom he doesn’t have to be Bruce Wayne’s brother he doesn’t have to be that doesn’t need to be his dad Bruce Wayne’s dad’s a like I don’t know know like I I don’t need it I don’t need it so to me the extra parts they put in Joker one none of it works for me zero you could have just joker as

01:55:17
Joker fine like you I don’t need it I don’t need him to to to put his finger in br Bruce Wayne’s mou stop please yeah you know what I mean like you don’t need any of this stuff that movie actually didn’t even need to be a Joker movie you just could have called him like the maniac you know and uh yeah a24 put out but the transformation of him going in the bathroom and laying back and doing the Dan like it’s so weird and ethereal and it’s great and it’s great you know

01:55:45
like his his descent is great and I’m just like man and but I also wonder if like you didn’t have like he doesn’t have the framework right because he’s like I’m gonna do king of comedy and tax driver right so like this movie is like what do I do now you know what I mean like it’s like what if I’m going to do anything like I don’t feel like he has original I don’t know if this cribs off of like Chicago I don’t know what it cribs it seems like it there’s different things it’s taken from

01:56:09
it goes as far as the musical numbers go because they’re all imaginary you know they’re not they’re not real um that’s not a spoiler that’s just you should have figure that out watching the trailer right um like I said there’s good stuff their performances are great the musical numbers kind of unnecessary there’s one or two that really they all work in the sense of the movie but like there’s a better movie to be made out of this movie he just didn’t he just I feel

01:56:34
like he really didn’t want to do it which is odd because in an interview with him he had said that he had approached Warner Brothers like hey can I just get like other directing people and just take your characters and make weird movies with them and when you make a billion dollars DC probably would have said yeah you know but this movie took so long to make and probably cost so much to they’re like yeah we don’t need you know somebody else coming in and doing a a heatwave movie you know or

01:56:58
somebody coming and do a Dr psyo movie you know as NE those things might be it doesn’t fit the bigger picture can we have Darren aronowski doing a firefly movie with Brendan Frasier because Brendon Fraser was almost Firefly like you know he was Firefly he was Firefly and I hear good I want that bgirl movie we deserve that bgirl movie our taxes paid for that bgirl movie to be sh uh so we should get that you you shouldn’t be able listen if you’re a movie studio and you make millions or

01:57:29
billions of dollars you shouldn’t be able to write off a movie that you do like I can’t like not do my job and go you know what I don’t I don’t want to do this now and I but pay me for it I’m gonna write it off right right right I mean you can write off losses but you shouldn’t write off it’s not a loss because you didn’t do it right you didn’t put it out there right you know if you put it out there and it didn’t make money then maybe you could WR it off but you didn’t put it out there you

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didn’t there’s no reason that background movie should be sh and there’s no reason it’s probably good it’s got all the right ingredients it’s just a matter whether it’s put together properly I just find it weird that are we that but this could be true because I I know that I have a hard I know I have a computer in the basement that has like literal like photos of my kids for my years where I have no backup like it’s they’re just in this computer doesn’t work

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anymore like right so I have pictures of my kids for years and this so I would be like oh how do they not have it uh you know I mean like they they don’t have it on a hard drive they don’t have the movie in hard drive they may not you know what I mean like by the way whatever whatever whatever the the the caveats are wherever they’re editing on everything kept in a cloud they said and I’m like I don’t believe that they’re taken away I know I don’t know so I I don’t believe the Synergy isn’t there to

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me because and this this kind of goes to Dick Tracy so when Dick Tracy came out madon and Dick Tracy right right Madonna makes an album right where she’s kind of playing breathless Mahoney do you know and I even know if you know this that because I only know it because I saw her an interview I even want to say it was like BB it was like a BBC interview lady gu do a BBC interview and explaining she was on Graham Norton soone Bo like Graham Norton Threw It on YouTube she she comes out she has the eye thing she

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comes out half as Lady Gaga she’s there with Demi Moore who was in the surface the substance which that’s a whole other I can’t talk about that um she talks about how she made this album she made an album in the in the headspace of Lee who was her Harley Quinn of Lee so she made an album that came out a week before this movie there’s no single there’s nothing about and it’s probably just a very like art housee project and they’re just like I don’t know give her some money never

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record yeah but like come on man she hadn’t she had and I have no idea if any of the songs again we’re in I think pop music is is way different right now it’s all it’s a ton of other stuff so but there’s nothing there’s not a lead single there’s not but again they they wanted why did they hide why is marketing I there’s no no bat dance there should be a bat dance for this movie there’s no bat dance you know it’s funny on Stern this week he had K Harris so she’s a prince fan so he plays bat

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dance when she comes on and then talks about how Stern thinks the Batman soundtrack is the best at Prince album and in some ways it kind of is in certain in certain headspaces I get it but no but she says no too which I think it’s really it’s definitely the Prince album I’ve listened to the most but so Synergy no that’s fine no that’s fine like again you know again everyone Mark is like the prince nut like he knows everything about Prince and I’m like I know I know Batman oh I

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can’t even talk about the prince so so someone recently saw the prince documentary on Netflix the nine hours and they gave it to the the estate and the estate won’t put it through basically it’s seems because there’s questionable things about when he met his second the the belly dancer wife uh may say you met her at 16 in like Egypt right so there’s a couple hairy things that are in there there’s also Jill Jones talking about how he was drunk and beat the crap out of her not great so a couple bad things

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and they just don’t want him but the guy won’t edit it out necessarily he won’t he won’t compromise it so it’s just going to sit for a little bit I don’t know if it’s ever going to come out or maybe it’ll get leaked I’m not sure it’s nine hours nine hours I want the Kevin Smith uh prints documentary too there but see all them Kevin Smith is is in this and talks quite a bit about that stuff too so Kevin Smith is in the inter is is quite a bit actually so uh yeah so

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I want to see but there’s there’s 60 people there some there’s roughly 60 people that were interviewed and and they’re in it you know besides Revolution members but there’s a different take on prce that people don’t know like in this not just the goofball not the basketball player like what like not pancake maker just a real thing and a ping pong player real thing basketball player he would he would take he had courts whenever he did an arena he plays basketball for a while and then goes

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performs for 10 hours you know but there’s also a thing that like I don’t know if they get into elevator he died in an elevator his most famous song is about going down to Hell in an elevator it’s like right like there’s so many things there’s so many things that like yeah that that so so I don’t know but you mean to tell me that there’s a ladyg album that came out Warner Brother doesn’t promote it at all I don’t know if she’s even on Warner Brothers I’m not

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even sure if she’s legally making the album saying anything in there that she is this she’s saying conceptually I’m Le made this out right it’s almost like a Chris gain’s uh right it’s a Chris gain situation right right Chris gain’s app the alter ego of G Brooks G Brooks Prince we got to inform people to oh man you know we got to do a Chris G first off that album not too not too not too bad actually and someone I’m trying to think who covered it recently oh uh Donald Glover covered one of the song he

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did a song a couple years ago he covered a Chris g song and that’s hilarious kind of great it’s great it’s great and I’m just like because you think about it like some of the material it soundss look Garth Brooks whether you like or not he’s talented musician so if he’s going to try and do something else still going to have the fundamentals of a song and how you make a song and you know one two three Bridge come on get that I get that come on but I also think it’s really weird that you we can’t I I I

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gotta really dig on dig online man why can’t I get that episode SNL he performed once did two musical numbers on it it’s not on YouTube you can’t find it I don’t know I gotta someone has it it’s not on you can join peacock and watch every season except they could they they clip out things they clip out a bunch of bunch of stuff uh Sunny Always Sunny caught a bunch of episodes recently for racist stuff um so you can’t watch is that the Lethal Weapon is that the lethal weapon episode or yeah there’s a

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good amount of them yeah there’s a good but again is satire not satire that’s satire they’re literally goofing on something in front of the thing that they’re goofing on yeah isn’t that kind of great isn’t that South Park you know like you know it’s funny does Paramount have anything that’s not on there is there is there South Park episodes removed from Paramount plus probably you know what they they should have a contract at episode whole uned episode of fa guy from early

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on was like a like when you wish upon a Jew I think it was the name of the episode and it’s not anti-jewish in any way it’s just you know a bad title and I think at one point like Optimus Prime shows up comes in transforms and puts on a little yamaka you know I’m like that’s kind of funny but that was like the first that was back before Transformers was popular again you know that’s like the it’s like 2000 or something you know only you and I were like Yay Transformers reference I

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saw a clip on family we got reset I was gonna send because it was a musical thing and it was like it was a person saying he’s like and then someone else is gonna sing and with the extra voice is going to make it better and then they kept doing that like then we’re gonna walk in the crowd and this is this makes this average musical better that’s a good breakdown so funny it’s so good yeah it’s so ridiculous so so yeah so we say so okay so I say so Hellboy for me all struck by Hellboy surprised uh and

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same thing with with the drawing monsters documenter and magnola renit give him three bucks I’m gonna say I was dumb struck by Joker too that’s the perfect probably the perfect stamp of because it could have been the potential’s there but I don’t nobody knows what he was going for and and and it was no way it was GNA make money it was never G to make money even if he had made the Joker movie we want it I don’t think we would have got I don’t think it would have did good it’s just a

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weird timing you know you I don’t know what you’re doing Mark I was trying to mute to cough and I turn the you mute it you to call and let me let me blank my face out but everyone heard you cough we just got a cough and and now we can see you but can’t hear you said that cat again hey your cat get out of here someone’s walking someone’s walking by my dog protecting the household doing such a good job of all the dangerous people on my street um that’s right your dog would be out of breath by the time

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it got down the steps to get that person yeah it can’t get those deer man in the backyard it gets they can’t get them they now know now they stop and there’s like you ain’t getting us they got they they’re bluffing out now they go a little far out and then they don’t you know um they they they stroll leisurely and your dog can’t catch them Mark’s dog is a little fat he’s a fat fat dog so lastly the last review media wise is something we agree on and let me say let

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me say one other thing Mark about Joker it’s just a funny story so uh terrifier 3 came out this week which is going to do better than Joker 2 another moncal by my uncle Dam Le I’m not related to Daman Le well the funny thing about the actor who plays the clown art the clown he would play Joker in Nightwing fanfilm and there’s pictures of him doing The Killing Joke pose so it’s just kind of a funny connection like this guy just likes to play clowns I guess and play Joker in these fan films and yeah I saw

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him in Town Square he was in town square like on a corner while they had like a big video of like Joker like advertised he’s looking up and he’s like laughing at the camera it’s like which is pretty funny you know it is pretty funny yeah I uh and that movie cost nothing and will make so much more and they’re not they’re the second one’s pretty man and this one watch second one yet I watched the first one with my wife and she was like why are we watching this I said because and that’s it but my

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daughter’s watched it and I’m like my daughter’s watched this too young it’s fun exploitative like it’s to me like it’s it’s no it is fun it’s fine it’s fun it’s fun it’s very exploitive I’m curious about it I think it’s great that that that’s continuing like great you know what I mean like that’s very singular uh whereas I feel like unfortunately Eli Roth made Borderlands where he was kind of in that path where he was doing like I’m doing my own thing

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and now he’s like I’ll just take the paycheck and I also don’t understand like from I just talk about Borderland for a second I don’t know if I’ll ever see it but like you mean to tell me that from the trailer when they open the hatch you can see the crew member’s arm pulling the hatch up from the the little picture you can’t edit that out you can’t like you can’t pay an effect artist 20 bucks to just like come on it’s so weird it’s so weird like no one like watched the edit of the

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trailer and be like I can see that thing like they left it in it’s so weird but also yeah there’s a there’s a couple videos online talking about how troubled the production was and how many different timelines they had to shoot different things and when they had the Ariana Green blad who plays the girl with the bunny ears right she’s like she’s like two years older because they had Co so so in a couple scenes they kept showing her from like the back because you can’t show her because she

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looks so much older so they have no close-ups on her for part for giant sequences there’s no CL just all this like yeah it’s so weird she’s becoming a good she’s becoming a star like playing you know she’s all fan favorite she’s basically and Al and there there is literally she started off what she was young Gamora right in Avengers yeah and uh yeah and she’s in Barbie um she’s yeah so she she’s lining up young she’s lining up her her uh her autograph for Monster cons there’s a monster conon

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at Oaks paa and you know he’s going to be there and I feel like it’s really weird and I really feel I feel I hope that there’s security Alec Baldwin is going to be there on a Saturday like three weeks from now wow in Oaks PA where like retrocon normally is at the Oaks uh Center where they have all the gun shows and RV shows um but G daav is gonna be there too so it’s the only time ever the matland have ever been together to sign anything so but now but I’m like how much do they pay on

02:10:11
Alec Ballwin number one and what Jackass is going to be like hey didn’t you shoot somebody like like I just I don’t want like for his sake I don’t know because remember you can just go to YouTube and pull up angry Alec Baldwin against Paparazzi like punching them out calling his daughter that’s a very bad call that she released right she released yeah she released it that’s okay well even even this week uh Tom Cruz’s daughter she did a sorority thing and she like says she’s

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like not that she didn’t Cruz is not her last name they have like to say your name or whatever and she didn’t say Cruz so anyway but yeah there’s a lot of what’s is it her mom’s name is it Holmes I think so yeah I think she said it as that yeah it was Siri Holmes so yeah he’s not I mean I can’t imagine that he’d be a fantastic father so I don’t know adoped too right yeah yeah there was there was a great joke it was a Saturday Night Live joke I don’t know if it was nor McDonald but there was a

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great joke when him and um Nicole kimman might have been a Dennis Miller where they say like uh Nicole kimman and Tom Cruz are separated this week and they said and their children were return to the Paramount props Department it’s one of the best jokes ever it’s a very dry I gota see I can find see I’ll see I can find it if it’s a if it’s a McDonald I think it maybe I’m not sure it might have been before that it might have been a Dennis Miller or I I don’t know if Kevin Neil I don’t know if he has the

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chops for that um so speaking of uh of local we talked about Nick drat local Elmer New Jersey resident y uh the next show tell media we want to talk about essentially is Cherry Hill native Christian Kristen motti Chris milot um very South Jersey looking Italian girl very funny yeah um been in a ton of things and her favorite role which is role you just talked to me about is on dirty Rock she talked recently on interview where that’s that’s her favorite role she’s ever done at all time because she learned a lot from Tina

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Fay about how to like commit to the bit and she does that more so after that like every role she’s done since but that role informed her to do more things like that which this Sophia Falcone concept which she’s in Long Halloween Tim sale callback Jeff callback very frightening in Dark Victory horribly frightening and this is scarier she’s scarier in this she’s frightening in this yeah uh because you can’t read you can’t read her and that makes her super interesting and other

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people she makes other people very nervous and uncomfortable and that’s a really good acting trait that she can do that yeah and I’m I’m really Blown Away with the Colin Farrell situation and I also think this is the most unique situation you’re under you’re you’re under people makeup right so you can go to John hert Elephant Man right that’s this you can go to mask from Eric stl’s mask okay that’s that right um not really Frankenstein per se but like maybe a little bit early

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Frankenstein is that b so like I’ve you’ve never seen someone look like a human like this right he’s un he’s not Colin far it’s unrecognizable even his eyes are so different by the lids whatever they do it’s not a thing I can’t in a million year but to me I’m sorry it’s Bor Carlo was TR time I had okay there you go thank you yes please um some people get really angry that BOS you Dracula right so I maybe I’m wrong there no I’m right but the uh like it’s no it’s it’s bizarre and I

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commit so heav to this penguin it’s un unbelievable and that fast that fast end of episode one I’m like oh my God I think I liked it the most in in the movie I think I got it when he’s when he’s being tied when he’s tied up and Gordon and Batman start talking to him he’s like you guys don’t even know what you’re doing like I love it like I think that’s the best scene because I’m just like oh he has it more together than these two characters and it and he he

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does like he has he playing everybody you you can’t read on him is he super smart is he dumb is he is it luck we don’t we don’t it’s a little bit of everything and that’s what makes he has a plum uh I forget what kind of car that is but like yeah it’s like uh I don’t know what kind of car it’s a very it’s beautiful but and she even saids she’s like why are you driving this around we all know who it’s you we all know you left this scene we all you’re very this is very flashy what

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are you doing it has gold rims it’s a plum car with gold rims don’t drive this around you know and I don’t know who this kid is man I thought he kind of annoyed me the first episode but I love I think he’s great he’s good he uh he was in runaways he was in all three seasons of a runaway show based off the Marvel incredible comic he played a you know I forget the I forget the character’s name it’s been a while since I read runaways yeah but yeah he was in that and you know you believe that he

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stutters like he does it good it’s not overdone uh yeah it’s a it’s a natural it’s more of a natural concept to stutter and the nervousness and the yeah I don’t know it’s very he plays around a little bit you can see when it gets worse when he’s nervous and and when he’s when he’s a little calm it’s a little better you know yeah episode three I tried to put my I think episode three was the best where you put yourself in a shoes I’m like I don’t know what I would do holy crap that’s a

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that’s a great beginning great ending right I should leave what’ you do well that’s because we follow our heart and not our brains yeah but I heart ending I don’t know if I could left I don’t know it’s too it’s too it’s too much it’s so much um yeah I don’t know I mean everything seems seems to kind of just really really pop and work in in it all around and there’s it’s on Mondays I’m confused I guess I was mad I was mad about it tonight okay I I think I talked

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to you about it because we saw Transformers we talked about you talked about episode one I didn’t watch yet and then and then because that came out on a Thursday and then the new one wasn’t until like the following week so when I thought I was ready to watch it I was going to watch three and I watched two and I was a little mad I was like man uh but watching two first one’s like an hour hour and 20 the new one I think was almost an hour 10 like little mini movies three was a movie three was a great movie by the way

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like it was uh but it is funny like how um every character actor who’s been different Mafia people are just in different things you know so like the one guy Johnny V is like is oh I’ve seen him in this and that and I was like okay so yeah I don’t I really I’m not sure Clancy Brown showing up was pretty fun too you always you always got to love Clancy Brown man yeah he’s so now he’s in DC Universe right uh we always wanted Clancy Brown as what saber-tooth saber-tooth back in

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the 90s he was he would have been an awesome Sabertooth he was the casting and so was rugar rugar was always Magneto in our heads and yeah also cable but you know Magneto too I always said Brian Den because I always thought like the part in cocon where he pulls his eye down he’s got the flash you know because he’s got a big um you know Brown was also he was he was already in DC because he was Lex Luther on Superman Adam me it okay okay okay that’s right that’s right yeah and then um oh man just left me oh

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he’s in uh he’s in Ahsoka right or he’s in yeah I think he’s in Ahsoka he’s like a senator or something like that I want to say he’s in that right so okay yeah so that’s good so all struck on that first one good second one okay third one great so yeah we’ll see that’s Eight Episodes I think so and then I guess when this came out like Terrence winter talked about how they almost had a Gotham Central That was supposed to be that and then it be evolved into this

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that didn’t happen the Gotham Central I was surprised though we haven’t seen Gordon yet to be honest because he there was talks of yeah like him him having that show like a goam central I I don’t know but this Show’s great everyone seems to like it it’s just sad that we’re not getting the next the Batman movie for what another two years26 or 27 I don’t know like to me the the it the movies takes so long in between stuff and I’m not really sure and I think that you know Rob bat baton

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bat just does so many weird things he’s doing the new bong Jun Ho movie and I don’t know if you saw that trailer yet I know I know Brian saw it and it’s odd and he’s doing another weird accent and I mean he’s a very fascinating actor but I also think it’s funny because he’s such a dry humor do you remember during Co when he’s like I just let myself go like no one knew if was serious because he just Goofs like he’s just a goofy British guy and he the way he sounds

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like he was on interview and they’re just like like I so he’s still training and stuff he gin shot Batman shut down he’s like nope got fat and it’s like oh my God and everyone’s like freaking out and then like uh that wasn’t true you know like so I don’t know we were all waiting so somebody could claim online look it’s fat andon you know people are just waiting to make that go good one yeah I like R bat bat and B I think that’s the best one weekly Planet coin

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that one that’s my favorite there’s a couple T-shirts you can go on Tu public and get that like Batman with a bat and everything like that it’s really funny which means Walt might own it our friend Walt has a t-shirt collection that we’ve never seen him with the same shirt yeah he should have my closet my closet is perfect for that you know like that that huge closet um so lastly we’ll go about each week we kind of we talk usually couple times a week and then we all get into something right so I get in it’s

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down the rabbit hole in this case down the pcka rabbit hole P pcka rabbit being a prince reference um I seem to have this weird obsession with people scanning in British reprint of the 80s SE late 70s early 80s so they’ll pop a bunch of stuff collected together in theme so last two weeks ago future tents came out future tents was like 11 issues so in in Britain they just put it on the new stands it’s like 10 it was like it wasn’t very expensive at all it’s like 20 Pages it’s like three or four pages

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per so I think future tense was like micronauts ROM it’s kind of it was kind of up up the Alle there’s a war one too which has a bunch of weird stuff but the one this week what was the one this week that I just I just was looking at last night um and this and the reason I like it so much is because of the way that they’re they’re um like you talked about Cliff Rathburn did grey tones in Walking Dead on black and white these are Color comic books color Stripped Away and then some someone no credits on this thing no

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credits for anything uh someone’s going in and doing like Zip tones or doing like Shades and so the the one that I’m looking at now let me see here Z ton is not easy that is a now you know what’s funny Eric Larson not to interrupt you while you’re thinking but uh he said he just found a whole box of zipes and he’s like should I throw them away he’s like no I’m just going to use them even though you can do those effects in photo shop now very easily he’s like nope I’m just G to cut

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and paste you know cut and so he’s using real grip tones in the stage Dragon I’m trying to think who who figured out a trick for it where oh man I forget how they did I think what they did I don’t remember who did this where they actually so they cut out the board they would cut out the piece that they wanted and then they put a page of ZIP down and then they just plop the art on top so literally the original art Pages have in them which is kind of freaky for us right like uh but he’s like oh I’m not

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it’s too expensive I don’t know if it was an anchor or I forget I I have to dig around think about who that was but think about that so you have an original 11 by 17 guy’s drawing a page and he’s like I want to do this shading here I’ll just I’ll just take an xacto knife and then cut that leg out and then and then I just lay it on top and then tape it or I don’t know I don’t know exactly how or maybe photo cop I don’t remember exactly how so this week uh someone put up

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Marvel action right which I’m a little mad and I and I knew a little about this because you would see the uh what was the GI in England action force yeah so they would do GI Joe reprints over there uh but they would do uh original covers that were either by like Dell Baris uh Brian hitch there was always a lot of people doing the covers over there um Liam sharp like there was always a lot and then Transformers had a whole other separate thing now and some of these they did backups now now these were were

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they released bi-weekly I think Britain UK a lot of they do a lot of uh weekly book weekly magazines they’re magazine size so not only are they you know changing some color books to the black and white they’re increasing the size to magazine um and they put about half the story in but then they’ll put in a backup that might be new right right right yeah there’s some backups um but the ones I’m looking at here and this was Marvel Marv it was a separate office Paul ner technically was that still in early 80s

02:23:33
before he did Marvel UK proper like uh actual publication in death set to um 902 um so Valor was Thor Dr Strange Conan and devil dinosaur 80 to 81 right right and then but what what’s kind of what we miss over here is they didn’t have fun stuff so I think Captain Britain one had like a Captain Britain mask cutout you can get and they would come with stuff so like The Valor came with a devil dinosaur jigsaw now I’m not sure I have to look through because the scans even have the the jigsaw piece right it’s not even

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it’s just a square I don’t even know what they call jigsaw but like it’s not a jigsaw but I want to see if it even print because some of these only went like 101 issues like uh Marvel action went to 15 one of the ones future tense didn’t finish some story lines like micronauts the middle of story they like there was no Next Issue just never happen but um Marvel action had a a sticker superhero sticker um but the covers a lot of times were just um either like the future tense is my

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favorite one because future tense is a stano Nick Fury there’s no Nick Fury story in that at all but it’s colored in a weird like three or four color process so yeah I think I want to buy these potentially and then you know hang them up or something just because they’re just odd you know no that’ll look that’ll look really neat Mark has a bunch of comics hanging around his living room being that he’s not married he can do whatever he wants to with his house yeah probably toys Comics right

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part partially why I’m probably but yeah but yeah because I have what what do I have I I I framed the uh the speaking of the jrjr it’s the cable blood and metal like ad which is about a little larger than comic book double size right it was like I don’t know right promotional poster and it’s not printed anywhere never nowhere nope and the only thing that I want to see if I can do uh is I the recoloring of the jrjr center spread that was it was in a wizard magazine someone colored it was brown I have that

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but it’s not it’s not that good but the recoloring last year of the jrjr huge gigantic almost like absolute Batman size uh yeah cable with two guns the recoloring they decided to color the guns Black that was that was a neat choice I love it I and it’s like almost like a spray paint and then that was just on like a um it was on like a Hidden Gem cover or whatever was one in 50 I think um but I want to see if I can get that printed somehow I don’t know if I can get that legally printed or

02:26:15
whatever but they didn’t make a poster of it um but the other thing I think I thought happens um you would have to what go to Staples for that now right there’s no Kinkos I think so yeah I think I think I think I think I could might be able to get it over there but yeah so so finding some of that but there is no you got tell them that you drew it gotta tell I drew this it’s cool I do this says Marvel Comics um but I also I also dislike that last year they had a cable miniseries and that I think

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that’s what it was I think this was number one this was a variant cover it was a Hidden Gem and they put that on the cover of the trade that came out three weeks ago and the Scott Eaton or somebody drew the inside I’m like no like I was like you can’t take this drawing from like 1995 or what like whatever it was no you know interesting story bad bad bad liel was going to do a cable miniseries for Marvel this year called First Contact where it’s the story of like where Professor X gets his

02:27:12
technology from to do the danger room was like oh yeah it’s from Cable in the future like cable met the original X-Men and I’m like that’s a really neat story and him and uh TC uh TB sabski had it all planned out well CB sski goes on vacation and then like one of his lower people who probably don’t love lield just gave Fabi nza the green flag to do a cable Min series and that really like kind of pissed life off because like he wanted that opening of no cable series for a while so when he does his series people

02:27:44
want it you know and he was he was like CBC Vol like I didn’t know they did that I’m sorry you know contracts were it was all kind of like behind not behind his back but you know he wasn’t made aware of it and if you read that keable miniseries I don’t want to say bad thing it wasn’t bad it was just you know not anything new or exciting it was fine yeah all all of the new retro miniseries that made LEL pissed because he was doing cable and then he was doing major X and then he was like major X Sequel

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and I guess he made the decision you know what I’m out let me do this there’s a Deadpool movie coming which he spent a lot of time promoting he was really he really worked as ASB off promoting that movie so let me do a Deadpool thing let me throw Chris star in it you know cable Wolverine major X they’re all going to be in it so it’s kind of his swan song for marel right right right and that’s why they launched and that’s why they announced Young Blood this week because this is what I’m doing this is Extreme

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you know H right away yesterday he’s like oh uh taking meetings for the Young Blood movie of course there’s going to be a Young Blood movie because that’s that’s the big image comic you know that that launch image comic yeah I think that’s I think that’s it should always be there it should always be like it’s it’s it should always be there like period even when it went to like awesome and stuff I never loved it I never loved when things would go away then come back like a full bleed

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pit it’s you know like just come on you know or to cow I never loved it when they went over to the side and then they no you love the image family you know you just want it good you did you just wanted everything to be together you know you don’t want Mom and Dad to get divorced you wanted right you wanted your you know everything together like like we were saying and even though he did great books like when he like awesome was a really great company he formed but like like oh you know I still would rather

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had you know everything still be an image you’re right so if the rights are if he has Supreme back can they do something can they like bring and reprint Supreme there’s ‘s no good copies Supreme reprints there’s not you know there’s a there’s a really good uh Twitter page I think it’s called maximum Supreme and that dude’s like just doing he just scanned his Supreme comics and like here’s Supreme from day one he hasn’t gotten to the war stuff yet but that’s that’s they’re they’re really

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good scam you know that that dude’s putting the work in um but you can’t get Supreme anywhere else there’s no trade you’re right there was a trade of uh the Supreme Madness story and that’s pretty good and they made trades of the all war stuff but they’re really low quality like they were bad something like that yeah right Checker Publications they also collected that Judgment Day story I think you’re G to get everything like the way life El’s talking he’s like oh I

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want to finish Blood Sport I want to do the Vault Edition showcasing the original art which I think is all owned by Kirkman by the way that’s basically a Kirkman oh okay you know he he he bought everything early image he’s like but Rich yeah I wish that was a kill there’s a kill Raven in a drawer right there’s a kill Raven complete six issue series that Kirkman wrote and live Drew and it’s in a drawer in a drawer just sitting there like there’s there’s stuff like that do they can can we do like an

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online petition or something like that can we make that a thing do they care does Marvel care see both he cares but the people above him won’t do it like you’re you’re editor and chief TB and you can’t make it happen because he’s buddies with by felt you know in fact when I was on the old uh we called it the awesome Army online it was a Yahoo group back in the late 90s and CB sski was on there just another fan all talking about you know awesome Comics you know Jeff L was on there live of

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show up there you know back back before like Facebook and all that stuff you know we were doing the message board and I was not an internet Savvy guy I had a web TV remember web TV you just little computer up to your TV garbage couldn’t watch videos do anything with it right right right we I think I tried to figure out some way to like have comics on my TV and it was just a lot of process for not a whole lot of a reward yeah like a lot and then it was like okay there you go there was a lot of stuff I think

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early it’s a shame that that that DC Universe uh app didn’t work that original DC thing where they had starle on the streaming platform they had DC Universe and they they formatted TV and they and it was cool like they they they demoed a Batman one it was great and then that just went away and then it became the DC the DC Online as it is now uh which is fine you know which is it’s still still very very good you know the ultra yeah so they’re both they’re both yeah they’re both good Marvel the Marvel

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DC online apps are pretty good yeah um I was trying to look through some old spectacular Spider-Mans and uh like oh they got big holes in their run I got the Punisher is the worst Punisher is the worst uh situation Punisher through it seems like they only put stuff online when they when they I guess it’s I guess that makes sense when they do a trade collection they’ll plop it online so there was some type of Ghost Rider collection this like two weeks ago was the Danny catch uh Omnibus so the issues

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of Ghost Rider the Crossovers into punch a War Journal they showed up but if you look at Punch War Journal it’s like one to four um 36 37 like it’s like it’s so weird like if there’s nothing and then I think all of uh one do Jump The Wolverine issues does it maybe I’m not sure no I yeah I don’t know but a ton of the punishers because again the punishers when the Mike Baron Punisher is from like issue two to like 50 there some Mega violence in those things man so I’m I don’t think you can

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print those today there’s some major stuff there’s no there’s no blood it’s all blacked out right yeah it’s all but it’s like there’s he just blows up buildings all like it’s kind of nuts so I don’t know it’s fine it was great I think they’re all really good I think a ton of Mike Baron stuff right in that timeline is wonderful um but yeah the Punisher is the worst catalog on there all around no Max stuff on there come on really and that’s available that’s

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like has a g it has vertigo Sandman like like I you would think that they would keep stuff out I remember when when when the app first came out it was a little little cumbersome because they would put stuff up they have the whole thing up there I was rereading long Halloween all we do is talk about long long Halloween on this one but they I think I told you this I called you they took it down they left one up and then then like when you go through they’re like you can buy it over here you can buy pay for I’m like I

02:34:33
just gave you $12.99 a month or whatever it was at the time like that’s what you talking about so and then it should just St all there now it’s all there and if you get Ultra I think it’s one month one month difference one I feel like they took Sandman off for a while they did they did they’d have they’d have the first eight issues that’s it but now everything is up tons and tons and tons if you’re printing it digitally like everything’s digital now it should be easy to put that on there yeah the

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search in there is better than D DC or I’m sorry Marvel had a they rearranged it used to be easier used to be easier to find stuff in the Marvel app it’s not now you search and it just gives you like stuff and then you have to go and you have to switch it to publication order and switch it’s so hard it’s no good those are not good yeah they’re pure profit because you’re already making your money off the printed comic you know all your money didn’t kill anything digital only

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helped really you know helps old men helps old men and you know I can’t see can’t see I can’t see I have good Vision I still just prefer it you know it’s the backlighting of it is something the fact that we again when I said I went to urg had take like a paper are you kidding me like I took my charger and like was charging my my ibad was there like I couldn’t do it because I need access to like 50 Comics 100 Comics like I can’t because because my ADD brain has to read I don’t want to read this now I want to

02:35:56
read this and I got to go read that so that’s no good so what is what was your rabbit hole thing that you were you know I uh now I did start reading irredeemable which I really really enjoy but I had to stop reading it because it crossed over with Incorruptible so I’m like oh now I got to go read x amount of inrule it’s Mark weade it’s a Mark we comic early boom um Peter KRA drew a lot of it in the beginning who uh who was famous for us for drawing power Shazam when Jerry Ordway wrote that book um and it’s it’s

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a it’s an evil Superman you know it’s an archetype that you know probably every comic writer want to be myself included have you know it’s just an easy thing to do but Mark Wade does it in an interesting way um storytelling is good the Art’s good there’s surprises in it um and but that’s not the book I want to talk about I I got um of course you know we’ve been fans of Daniel Warren Johnson for quite a few years I think I started reading them with extremity because I’m like oh it’s like extreme

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like let me check this out and he just won me over and most famously and we’ll talk about this in more detail in the future he’s the Transformers writer and he’s just incredible Transformers so imish put out a book called space mullet and I’m like well this is and he’s like this is real early it’s garbage you know nobody you know be careful when you read it and I got three issues in I’m like this is fantastic this is your first book like your first major release like I care about your

02:37:26
characters I shouldn’t like them it’s a do with a mustache and a mullet but I love them the alien he’s partners with I love them I’m like you just he knows how to make you love characters you know it’s a Sci-Fi book and I you know sci-fi can be real boring in comic because you know sci-fi is kind of made for movies and in comics it just doesn’t it’s got to be really good to work sci-fi can be a real lazy writer’s easy thing to do but he’s not lazy and he he of course

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draws it and for his first time out that’s a major H Creator it’s good you know thumbs up you excited to reading it right isn’t there like up isn’t it just like an extra it’s black and white and blue like one or two yeah yeah blish Green it’s like a it is fun he’s just he is like creator of the year you know a got me and then I had to go back read extremity and uh yeah murder Falcon it was like I think I think I grabbed the first one because the cover was so weird because it’s like a it’s like

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looks like a it’s a falcon that looks like a man with muscles and like and a guitar I don’t understand I was like what is this you know I bought that I gave that to my brother too I was with some was like I this is so weird this is so crazy like here’s a bunch of stuff here’s a bunch of AD sensibility here’s metal here’s and then there’s this guy’s playing the guitar and then he’s bringing this thing and they’re going to go to another dimension in there in

02:38:50
their van right it’s like so it’s just there’s a lot of stuff and and and when we talked about Dr earlier like the page construction where are you coming up with this I don’t understand this like you know he says he quotes Haron um there was an interview with him on something recently on online and it was basically just talking about um he’s so much there’s so much Maga that we don’t we have no exposure to we’re too old I guess I don’t know um but his page construction is nuts his page

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construction is very because he’s I’m going to do this little panel here do this and what I think is in is that it’s so in it’s he inks really heavily and he doesn’t he doesn’t he’s not trying to make people picturesque the Wonder Woman miniseries he did Wonder Woman was in some plays just ugly just like like rough yeah but great because she’s worn she’s worn is it Wonder Woman yeah I call back to the uh series of annuals from the 90s for remember like anual was yeah all future stories we love it

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you know what I mean like yeah I love El worlds thank thanks Mark wa for creating Health world right exactly but he won’t take credit for good job you know what I mean good job not like not like Roy Thomas not like Roy Thomas I mean you know it’s not like you know DC was doing imaginary stories in the 50s and 60s but you know they called him that’s what so crazy yeah I mean that’s that’s the funny thing too is they would make it up they would tell you they’re like yeah we

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want to write this but this isn’t going to fit everything else let’s just tell you it’s an imaginary story they put out trades for it which I think is kind of cool like in the in 2000s like they’re some of my favorite stories yeah you know well they’re they’re Whata ifs basically you know what I mean then Marvel do before before what if yeah but Marvel if you think about the way that Marvel continuity and that’s why like it it it was so whatever event happened counts and it just

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continues to count you know marvel tried Stacy it’s continue you know Marvel’s what do they call it the the alterniverse they try to make some mouthful their own version of elfworld at one point in the 90s I think they tried to call like the alterniverse or something yeah they labeled a couple books with it then they’re like this is dumb a couple years ago they tried to do it with a life story and then they just didn’t commit to it and then they had two books it was super Spider-Man life

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story which was pretty good I think it was pretty good I think the annual it’s also really weird the way they published that because they put it out six issues or whatever put the trade then they put out like an annual like a year later and it was like then they to reprint the the the trade the new trade now has the extra annual which is cool they did um I think uh what’s his name the guy who did Flintstones did uh Fantastic 4 is it Mark Russell life story yeah but that I think is I wonder if they’re GNA do a

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lot of take a lot from that for the movie because I think that’s really like really ground level you know yeah I think that’s I think that’s pretty solid so you know Michel fif had had a pitched a a version of spice of Spider-Man life story was life story yeah I think it’s life story yeah okay he had pissed a vers of that and it looked really cool yeah he put up a couple pages and I’m like cuz you know I’m a big fan of Mell F and that looked really good but Marvel’s didn’t go with it because I

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think that was after piser had done his X-Men Grand Design but before shy had done his Fantastic Four Grand Design so they said no to FIFA um and then of course you get the the mark Bagley chip cesarski right he wrote that and he did a really good job of that you know Mark bagley’s retired did you know that no he retired yeah he uh he says he’s done doing comics He he’ll he’ll he’ll keep doing covers and stuff but he’s done like doing hardcore monthly books oh wow even a couple years ago he was doing he

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was doing some doing something amazing that was good real solid no he’s still solid so yeah he’s I think he’s 67 he’s an interesting guy I was just listen listening to an interview with him and like he seems like a type of dude who’s always ready for a fight even though he’s a little guy but I guess he grew up in like Atlanta he’s like he’s always like he’s telling these stories like this guy up being I’m ready to fight him and this other guy I’m ready to fight

02:42:50
him like like how many dudes are you ready to fight dude he was a he was kind of a jerk to Brian our friend Brian we were at the uh you know we were at that same ultimate signing we were talking about earlier and Brian’s like hey you work in a the Marvel Bullpen he’s like yeah I drive all the way up from Georgia to work in the Marvel Bullpen but then I it was just kind of funny and then when I met him a couple years ago he was in line to get in New York and I’m like Mark Bagley he’s like yeah and

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he was totally cool to talk to and he said he wanted to go back to drawing Spider-Man you had to draw Spider-Man enough I’m like you don’t count Ultimate Spider-Man he’s like nope he goes That’s not Spider-Man that’s a different Spider-Man I’m like all right who’s against more Mark Bagley Spider-Man he’s probably the artist who have drawn that character the most yeah I wonder I wonder if jrjr is eclipsing him now I wonder what the jrjr number is now there’s so many there’s so many oh

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there’s so many issues of that of and then he went back and did the like Peter Parker Spider-Man for a while and then I mean he never left dusk was that the D was at the the dark yeah I like that Slingers Slingers yeah we have to talk about uh uh alternate alternate Heroes you know which starts with uh Nomad maybe is that the Amer became Nomad yeah I just found that in a dollar bin I just I have that I the first not I can’t believe I have it it says on the cover it’s a gokane cover he like jump and

02:44:30
it’s like how is this in a dollar bin man those dollar bins out there I love it you have to talk about uh yeah so I guess forthcoming we want to cover uh my deol my de collecting so taking like more than having my collection maybe more than that um and then two weeks ago I was wondering how I was going to put my collection together right after Baltimore and then I just split up my collection very very high fidelity size like style right there’s a part where one guy goes over John Cusack’s

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character’s house and he’s like what do you what are these Stacks what is this it’s not chronologically it’s not this and he did a his collection by was autobiographically like it was like from the story I got this at this Ag and that and it was all sorts of they connect that’s that’s interesting because so mine yeah how how do you your collection you only have a couple hundred Comics is that right yeah yeah I went from a probably 30 to 35,000 down to like less than a thousand I decimated it

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um but it’s fine because I I kept everything that’s special I was just buying everything and you know I just kept all now I just kept the stuff that’s really special to me um and that’s a lot of stuff I bought in the 80s and 90s because those those are the books I’ve read the most I just enjoy going back and rereading them um and and the Marvel DC apps really help with just like you know I don’t need to own this you know what happened I was reading I I was still buying Amazing

02:45:57
Spider-Man and it got to a point where the cover quality almost seemed less than the Interiors yeah and it just looked like sure like I felt like when you read a comic what what the ink was printed into the paper in a way that you felt like it was a real book but then I was read I was reading this to Spider-Man and I felt like the ink was just laying on the page like like you would go on and printed it yourself and I’m like I don’t like this it doesn’t feel like a real comic it feels feels

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fake like a I don’t want to not kbl but it felt like I just went and got it like a printed at like a kaban printer you know right right right but you know you’re getting there you’re you’re you know you’re getting that and that’s okay that’s what you want yeah fine what you want it’s the only yeah you can’t you know if you’re you’re only if you’re only printing a couple hundred copies or or less than that yeah you go to a small printer like that um so but then I was

02:46:49
just enjoying the Marvel DC app so much and Comics zology I had a ton of comics or Comics zology but now that’s like a a joke yeah yeah right it the Marvel DC apps are just their thumbs up and I just enjoyed it that way so it’s like and I kept moving and moving a 100 boxes of comics and mag and you know 50 More Magazine boxes it’s not fun right yeah that definitely does it that definitely kills it yeah for sure yeah yeah so uh so so so you and I know especially the first five or 10 years of

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collecting I could probably tell you where I bought every comic and a story almost a story behind it you know and then uh but you so having your stuff by Auto autobiography like the movie is funny but how do you have yours now yours is by so mine literally is by pretty much artists or writer artists like it’s pretty much like I only have right now I have three complete runs I think they’re all asses Sam Mystery Theater uh starm man and straight bullets three SES that’s it that’s all I

02:48:00
have of of that now in the collection itself I literally have it alphabetical from like art adoms to Bru zik probably it’s probably right uh Bru zik because I’ll have bruck I’ll have um Zone Continuum right which is independent um Atlas from uh Darkhorse which I believe was after his thoron so I have it chronologically by by Creator so that actually makes it really fun so if you go to my Kelly Jones I have like Chrome terraformers no I have micronauts so micronauts new voyages right which is

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actually one of micronauts new voyages number two which had nard Adams cover it’s one of my first issues I ever read in my life probably learn how to read reading that book um which was not a bill mant I believe that’s Peter Gillis but it had Kelly Jones interior and Kelly Jones used to Ink Butch G that’s how we started and then they like you just got to draw the book now like that’s it um then it then he did some Indies so he did Chrome terraformers and then I think he then it goes to like

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dead man the first one and then I have a couple issues of Action Comics he drew dead man and Action Comics weekly uh the second dead man um and then but then it goes into like the Batman his like main run of Batman not really the covers uh like the 13th son right like Crusades like so there’s I’m going to have the whole run but I’ll Gra grab some stuff here and there and it’s like cuz I piece of it the hammer right yeah Hammer I think I have Hammer Uncle like the uncle Alex one shot so like I have a

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lot of it and it was kind of I think that’s the Kelly Jones is probably the most because he even did an annual last year his Swamp Thing that he did with Len we a year a few years back back that was really good great great and his new I love a swamp thing he drew Swamp Thing in that issue yep with that dog mantro I just love that issue really good card H yeah that’s Greg Wright I think Greg Wright separated it felt like Greg Wright Greg Wright one of the best colors of the 90s good writer too

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like yeah he was he was kind of the orchestrator of the later Midnight Sun stuff like he was pretty much writing all that stuff you know he wrote that Wolverine Punisher miniseries um uh who drew that it wasn’t wasn’t wind SL was it Gary Gary Kine yeah um that was supposed to be drawn by Jim Lee is that crazy there’s there’s a lot of pages for that jimly uh ey for an eye or whatever the heck that was called whatever that oh the the Nick Fury uh yeah yeah ni graic novel but that costume never on yeah there’s there’s

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that that cover never or the that costume the Nick costume never showed up anywhere else like I was like why is anyone drawing that speaking of costum and that was written by Greg Wright that that graphic novel yeah right um Jim Lee had said years later he still was doing pages of it in the 90s like it doing wild cats and see would still do some Punisher pieces and if he ever leaves DC which is always the rumor he’s gonna go back and do X-Men I would love to see him finish that Punisher graphic novel but like don’t redraw

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anything let us see your Punisher from 1989 90 92 like keep not Punisher Nick Fury let us keep seeing your your growth or your change as an artist you know and then finish up I don’t know if he can do it I don’t know I don’t know if I don’t know I mean I think he’s so he’s so ingrained he’s so like DC ingrained I’m not sure if he can do it I don’t know it’s not you know so we’ll see but yeah so right now I’ll have to go in more detail about the collection

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where I’ll just grab a Creator but it’s kind of fun because like like I have a lron file right so I have like of course like cable and Spider Boy like team up and then I have like uh the Fantastic 4 annual he did with Claremont and then I have an issue of um uh man was it like the Batman I’m sorry when they did all the Shadows and Light right so now all the the thing is it’s not special anymore kind of like the the the Justice League Unlimited cards right the the black white the black and white

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things are not that special anymore bman black and White’s not special because they too every everyone everyone’s done it even had a turt black white and green yeah and and that they’re okay you know like yeah there’s too many of them there there’s just too many of them but but the Marvel did one in the 90s it was a Batman it was a Batman keep saying Batman God it was Marvel Shadows and Light they had a one shot and it was a Tony Daniel cover there’s a blade story in there I don’t know if you know

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that there’s a blade Story by lron in there but lron I don’t know if he knew or he didn’t know it wasn’t supposed to be colored so it’s very thin like that was when he was doing his like Juan Velasco like thin so I’m just like you’re not drawing for black and white man like you’re drawing for them to like fluff this up so it’s really it’s not that good but it’s like cool looking then he did the Inhumans he was working on silver of a graphic novel he’s like I want to be the

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combination like you had the Kirby one and you had the Mobius I wanted to bring them together in something new with this silver server graphic novel but Marvel wouldn’t renew his his green card like his work visa oh wow and so like I guess he stopped working for Marvel and that’s when he went and did uh all the elephant men stuff with Richard starkings and Joe Casey wow so we lost out on a silver surver graphic novel oh yeah yeah no nobody ever brings up the busha silver server graphic novel I that’s one to I

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don’t understand I don’t understand I want to say the busha one is in some of the reprints right as well as the Keith colled one there is no reprint I have three versions of the of the Fireside right I have a Fireside from a library that I got from Rich from Welcome Back comics from that I I wrote to him on Facebook or whatever I was like hey can you hold because he had a video I’m like can you hold that and then and then he forgot got to bring it to one show and he had the next show and

02:53:51
he held it for me I had it for like seven bucks or something like that it’s a terrible copy it’s a terrible fire side cop but it’s it’s from a library and it’s a little brown but the one that I had that I bought for kind of okay money I bought it for 40 or 50 bucks had like water damage I ended up selling it for 30 35 uh but I also have one that they did in the 2000s which was limited to some weird number like 470 was some weird number was hard cover I have that yeah and that has like a good intro

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their intro is different than the Fireside and then I have one that they did in the 90s that has a stamp in this do you remember the story so it has a stamp it’s property of was it Mark alessie who’s the creator of cross gen yeah he’s the owner of yeah owner Creator is from the collection of of and so it’s stamped and I was like wow somehow so so somehow that shuffled around and maybe his wife sold I don’t know but I but I yeah so I have a markco and I can’t sell it now I’m like I I don’t know that’s a very

02:54:52
weird like who you have a can you imagine stamping your book property of Mark Leon of I want to say that was it Harley ye I want to say that back in the day like when you know when me Dan H would explain stuff to me about the industry like there were some people that it would come from like this like a Phil suing as a person right but then he created like basically like New York like the comic book convention scene right and created like collectibility and direct market help with direct market like there were some people that

02:55:22
came from like specific collections like not Chuck rosansky per se because he became more comics but there were people that were big Harley ye is May I don’t think he’s around anymore but Harley ye would go to shows and would sell Prime real estate comic books man like like almost million dollars before Heritage and all that stuff but I remember going to shows and going and and I want to say the last time I saw heritage heritage had the Michael uh shining review do you know about this where he took yeah the picture and he

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took white out and he had it so so it’s literally in this like jewel case I have a picture of it somewhere so it’s literally in what time when your what Your shining come out 81 something like that whenever that came out sure because somehow and I just and this guy basically is a millionaire because he caught this weird tiny loophole that the that the Batman rights for Media or whatever movie rights were open to buy and Michael Olson bought it right in the like late 70s and he and he yeah just kept around every every movie

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that comes out has his name on it because it has to I think but he makes money of his name’s on the his name’s on the penguin TV show right so it’s always he’s always in it but he took the picture of of U Nicholson and he took white out and some marker and made a Joker face on the picture of him like in the when he takes the axe to it he looks in and says here’s Johnny so he took a picture and he had it so he’s had that forever so but seeing that it’s like way artifact like gu crazy um but Harley e

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was at shows and I remember seeing him just like really nice like uh I don’t Japanese right I don’t not sure Japanese whatever but like it was just Japanese or Chinese but and he would like the books that were there there was a there was a video the other day where had Nicholas Cage like just kind of rifling through books and it said Nicholas Cage picking up dollar books and it was Spider-Man one X-Men one f F1 he just has like them in myar just at this convention I’m like ah like and I sent

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to the girls I was like there’s like three or four million dollar with like there was like five issues he’s like here like can you imagine I can’t imagine that’s that long legs money oh man I don’t know oh another cat oh no no get no okay try to make sure C proof that keyboard I I I just moved it yeah I don’t know so all right so I guess we’re signing off we did it we did it we’ll see how nice and short nice and short I don’t even know probably three hours I have no idea so we’ll figure out

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how we’re going to post it you know we’ll see but I’d say we leave it leave it as is leave it i’ say just number one because I have no time to edit it number two I the only way get better whatever but I feel like I would imagine listen knowing the com people that I know they all talk like this man they all just like it’s all just like this nightmare uh T nightmare of tangents right like that’s just the way it is that’s just the way it is but that’s what makes it great that’s what makes

02:58:18
that definitely is a dopamine hit that I always get whenever we talk we talk you know and how old are we now right so we’re we’re old we’re I mean we’re old but yeah I’m I’m 48 you’re 47 right but we are 30 years old right because I was working at the shop right and 94 our our friendship is H 30 years old yeah yeah yeah I mean there’s no one I talk to more not even my kids well they don’t talk to me all now but like they’re just busy um they are busy we both Mark and I both have teenage girls

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and uh they are busy those are older though yeah and twins yeah yeah I I do think it’s funny like the the things that are uh that that were important to me that I that I try to like explain to them and then sometimes they’ll explain stuff back to me and I’m like yeah I gave that to you you know I mean that’s that’s we always talk about that how that’s kind of fun but I have a picture if you remember uh I’ll find it it’s I had when they were zero I guess they were very little it

02:59:22
was um yeah it was the summer of they had a philon Peter Mayu was there they had onesies and said who’s your daddy and had a Darth Vader on the chest and has me oh and we’re right in front of Peter Mayu and he’s like looking at you know and I’m like look you’re meeting Chewbacca like you know what I mean and then I have I have a sign picture of a chewbaca picture is like to the girls you know Chewbacca Peter Mayu you know what I means I’m like you’re seeing this and even one of the pictures I have on

02:59:50
my on my thing is like me with a bootleg copy of an original Star Wars DVD so I have a 77 cut of a Star Wars from a convention and the and I have a baby next to my head crying I think it’s Sophia and I and I have like the DVD in my hand I’m like look we’re watching this like I’m like literally like explaining like look at this you know um but I feel like the way that they see things now and the way that your daughter seees things now and like in like storytelling and different things

03:00:14
that are you know the Transformers movie we just saw we talked about it I was like who who’s being mentally scarred by this one the third act we need to mentally scar some kids right here please you know what I mean because we were mentally scarred and that’s just the the the lore of it um but yeah it’s really fun so yeah we’re 30 you know so we’re going to try and do this potentially weekly on Sunday mornings when things are relatively quiet you know yeah um and then just kind of run

03:00:41
through you know news other things media you know do what we can so I know this is probably particularly rambly but you know signing off you got anything else yeah no this is this is what we wanted to do we wanted to bring our conversation to the world and you know we like to talk about new things and we like to talk about old things and you know we have some in-depth knowledge of comics you know we we we love this stuff we breathe this stuff and you know we just want to inform people of what we

03:01:08
know you know uh hopefully people write and comment you know if we got something wrong let us know because you know we get sometimes you believe a comic myth or you know you don’t know how to pronounce the name you said Chris bolo and I think it’s Chris pello you know but when you only read it that’s right or is it billson kevich which is what he told me um I imagine he’s probably right he might be right you know what’s funny is I don’t think uh that’s right either I think that’s is just the way he

03:01:38
wants to pronounce it right right if you break it apart I don’t think you’re right I think there’s other syllables mixed around that’s okay yeah hey man that’s choice you know H Mark Miller we pronounced it Mark marar for years until I met him and and he today goes you know what I don’t care if people call me Mark marar because it sounds more hoyy toyy it’s more proper you know right Miller podcast is like what this podcast is Miller time but it’s Millar time you know our time so it’s okay it’s

03:02:06
okay so it’s fine you know hit us up uh where can people find you do people want to find you or you just want comments no it’s F you have a fun Instagram don’t you yeah I have my idiosyncratic pulp Instagram where I where I was for a while like just I would just kind of pick out and do a week of something like I did a MCH Sierra week I did a a billion um Master Kung Fu post so like through Gacy Zac um a ROM one I did for a long time you know and then I was trying to do I’ll have to maybe this

03:02:36
will also help me go back to this I was trying to do a daily Marvel Universe entry because Marvel univer but I would also put in GI Jo order of battle and put in Transformers Universe so I was putting in the 80s marel Tech technical ones and then include some updates or have you know so then I but then I started putting in like Marvel 70 607s handbook with one so now I don’t know but I but I’m curious to see and I was on like day 200 or something I don’t know and then I just kind of stopped but

03:03:03
I want to try that back again because got cool art yeah it’s some fun you got some cool art and uh yeah but there’s it’s thousands I’m I’m curious how many literal entries it is when it’s done I don’t know I don’t want to know I can look at probably I don’t want to know I just want to kind of keep going through it and then seeing like what it totals to what day does it stop you know I know it’s not day anymore but what number entry does it stop because that’s

03:03:29
probably way intense so you know what maybe maybe you shouldn’t do every single one because what if it’s like I’ll do a page of this for the rest of my life then you get to that last page you’re like I guess it’s over I guess I’m over well I always have some other like little you know little thing I’m getting into at that time I’ll probably something else you know T it’ll be you did Marvel stamps for a while they were they were pretty awesome I did all the Marvel stamps and then what was funny

03:03:53
about that was like a year later Abrams put out a whole book about it and I was like easier it would yeah I know but it was fun it was fun to like scour the internet like what is this from or this was from like a Italian edition of uh this Captain America book and it had this face and it was redrawn by Marie SE like there’s a ton of stuff like that isn’t real in that that’s what’s kind of nuts when you mentioned uh what it wasn’t called Amazing Spider-Man Annual one it was called I think it was

03:04:21
kingside special right wasn’t the first Amazing Spider-Man I think that’s what it was called but I would say every Marvel stamp is a dico drawing from that that has probably the most entries there’s like there’s like 15 like everyone you can think of you know Doc O Sandman like anyone because they were just perfect pin-ups perfect dico Pinups perfect perfect so um that was probably easiest to crimp and make it a Marvel St you know the uh Marvel put out a little hard cover for Eric larsson’s siner six

03:04:51
the first one actually they have hard covers for both his siner six story lines but the first one has they put that dipco annual in okay so it’s like a really and that Eric Larson Sinister Six Story the first one is what Return of the Sinister Six it’s amazing that no pun intended there was amazing it’s amazing that they never put the Sinister Six back together from that annual in the early 60s until that storyline in 1990 yeah until 9089 yeah and then two years later when Larsson briefly took over

03:05:23
mcfarlan’s eject ecus the Spider-Man he did Revenge at his in six which he wrote right that’s really good yeah that’s him that’s some good experiment there as almost a super Patriot in there and uh interesting a lot of interesting um a lot of forward ideas a lot of Sil lot that’s Savage dragon if you could say that that that uh Legends of the Dark Knight issue was a m Hellboy zero that was probably like super Patriot minus one two minus oneus two minus three so ingrained in that really cool yeah

03:05:56
that’s really cool yeah we’ll have to go through our uh our like early phase yeah we’ll have to figure out we’re GNA do segments so we’ll figure out like you know because I want to even see like almost like where are they now with yeah there’s some interesting stories to be told there and uh you know we we know a good amount you know hopefully we’ll get to it um I do a I did a comic strip called if you go on Facebook under all struck Comics I did a comic strip called

03:06:24
frenzy this character angry Walt it’s it’s some pretty funny stuff it’s not always I like that meant for kids I like gags Gs are fun yeah they’re gag strips nothing you have that so you have that you have that Facebook account yes held okay we have to see we have to go on Instagram and grab it before we publish it see if it’s there yes you know we should we should and maybe maybe we’ll grab a Gmail for allra Comics as well yeah so uh By the time this is up allar comics on Gmail

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you want to email us we’ll see this we’ll put it look down the down below there’s a big bunch of thingies you know right yeah like And subscribe right so well thanks for listening thanks for putting up with this ramble yes and Comics up upat about com that’s right say I’ll beat all right I’m gonna hit the end all right see you

Episode 1 of the Awestruck Comics Podcast proves that long-form, genuine comic talk still works. Messick and Leone don’t just report the Youngblood rights resolution—they put it in the context of 1992 Image beginnings, creator ownership struggles, and why the book still matters 33 years later. Along the way they deliver honest takes on Absolute Batman’s visual and storytelling impact, the limits of digital comics, Hellboy’s film journey, and the simple fact that a lot of modern comic coverage has become too cynical for its own good.

For fans of Rob Liefeld, 90s Image, physical collections, and podcasts that feel like conversations between lifelong friends rather than content, this episode (and the full transcript on AKAPAD) is essential listening. The positivity is intentional, the tangents are frequent, and the Youngblood return is the clear highlight—exactly the kind of deep-cut comic discussion the medium still needs.

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